Does this open the door for Trump to re-litigate the 2020 election with the possibility that he can create doubt about the outcome? He has to establish his state of mind and if he had information, however wrong or misguided, that the election was stolen, I suspect that will all come out. Not sure how that plays out. Second, assuming Trump is convicted, does that mean we have to consider charging the 2016 participants ,including the democratic candidate, for the Crossfire Hurricane plot? That effort to influence the election, especially since it involved a number of governmental agencies and members of the administration, falls within the legal charges being brought by DOJ.
We have not heard from Mark Meadows in a long time. If he could point to Trump saying the magic words you Trump apologists [I kid] demand maybe this is more beyond a reasonable doubt than you folks think. Also, there are some quotes of Trump saying we have to leave these things to the next guy, or why he alone could handle Pence that detract from his "I'm a moron" defense.
I don't know what Trump supporters are thinking---if he is the nominee, we could find ourselves with a candidate who at the least is so bogged down in legal issues that he cannot mount a campaign or at the most--in jail. Then what would we do? Republicans should move on from him and select a viable candidate who can win against this disastrous regime and completely take it apart. Trump will also need a friend in the WH who can pardon him but if he insists on staying in, there will be no one to help him or us. We should put the needs of our country first and foremost because that will benefit all of us in the long run. Those who feel a sense of loyalty to Trump can help him by sending him money for his legal fees but not by voting for him and taking the very high risk of putting Democrats back in office.
I'm with you--I don't have money for his legal fees and don't think others are responsible for them. But for those who feel they must do something for him out of a false sense of loyalty (I have no loyalty to political figures) I sure rather it be a donation than a vote.
The "charges" are based on whatever they could conjure up. First, you identify the "criminal", then you investigate to find the crime. Regardless of what you may think of Trump, his legal problems do NOT stem from crimes he's committed. They come, simply, from who he is - THE enemy of the LEFT.
The "charges" are based on what he said and what he thought. It used to be, in America, that one could not be charged for opinions and speech. As a matter of fact, none of the cases, including the "classified documents" one, should be charged unless the same laws apply to everyone who has done the same thing. I don't want him as the nominee, but I don't want him removed from the running by lying, cheating, lawfare, and manipulation of our laws. And as for it not ever being illegal for teachers to aid a child in "changing genders" behind parents backs, I beg to differ. We have always had laws that protected children from predators, which is exactly what these people are.
I agree with your comments. Proving Trump’s state of mind will be challenging if he gets a “fair minded jury”. However, it is becoming more and more apparent that much of this is a political witch-hunt. Just look at the timing of the charges and the sheer number of separate charges with different venues, which constantly keeps all this in the press with each filing. The venue selections are in known trouble sites for Trump? but we are not seeing that same aggressiveness on the allegations about the President’s classified documents nor the allegations on he and Hunter’s foreign associations. I find it difficult to believe the public accepts that while on a speaker phone (that implies Joe was actually in the room and not a conference call) that only the weather was discussed with foreign persons and Joe leaves the speaker phone call with only weather being the only topic discussed. Just how long were those phone calls that weather was all that was discussed and were interpreters translating the words spoken?
I absolutely don’t support Trump taking the kinds of classified documents which involve national security. However, the Florida case final outcome could likely hinge on “attorney client privilege”. My guess is the Supreme Court will have much difficulty with supporting breaking attorney client privilege despite their being some exceptions to that privilege.
It would be interesting what might happen if both Trump & President Biden were both decide not to actually run. Personally I think that would be good & help the country move on.
Re: “outcome-determinative fraud.” Interesting comment yesterday from Trump's attorney on this indictment. He said that the indictment will give Trump subpoena authority to test some of the 'facts' used to indict him. That could be interesting. On another prospective indictment....i'm wondering how Georgia is going to deal with the apparent fact that our ballots are spoiled because we can't discern how we voted since we can't read the bar code that the machine uses to record our vote?
Once the money is gone, the lawyers will surely follow. Once the lawyers are gone the subpoenas will be gone. Jack Smith will lose interest as nothing will be gained by throwing the hollowed out husk of an old man, former President or not, in prison.
No it is Not possibly for Trump the loser to be elected in 24. That’s why millions of us are leaving the Republican Party. The Republican Party has more grifters than the roving bands of Gypsies of Europe. Republicans campaign for money while the democrat’s campaign to win.
I went to Sandy Springs to check out the area. Quite Nice indeed. several nice places to have a drink etc. They also had a back-to-school night on the town green--police, fire department etc. doing the community engagement deal. I left and swung by Cumberland to pick up my daughter and her friend. They had a few drinks and were a bit verbose about their politics. BTW, they both voted Biden. They said they were done with Biden. They said he was too old.
I do not think Biden will run. The democrats will put the squeeze on Biden and force him out of the race. Otherwise, they are doomed. The Republicans will also move away from Trump. We have 6 months before the primaries and alot can happen.
As you say: "...he wasn’t acting to break the law but to defend an election he thought was stolen." Indeed, Trump might have believed he was acting to prevent a crime FROM happening. The prosecution's case is entirely based on mind-reading. But, then, aside from the process crime relating to the classified documents case, every charge made against Trump has been based on a foundation of reading Trump's mind. Even the documents case is predicated on mind-reading why he kept or moved these documents. A ridiculous thing, or maybe not so ridiculous (which might explain why he's being targeted so ruthlessly) Trump TELLS us what he is thinking. Read his damn tweets. Listen to him talk. One doesn't need to read his mind. He might be the most transparent president and candidate we've ever had.
All in All the accusers should watch their steps as this is End Times and their personal judgment by Jesus is close at hand. But in other news countries are freely giving up their sovereignty to the World Health Organization another pandemic in the wings . Population needs to be reduced. Easier to control a smaller World.
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The Population is, and will increase the rate of reduction as we go into WWIII before this coming election. The Bible tells us we will be having this one more war. But a lot more about end times that are coming and coming soon.
Does this open the door for Trump to re-litigate the 2020 election with the possibility that he can create doubt about the outcome? He has to establish his state of mind and if he had information, however wrong or misguided, that the election was stolen, I suspect that will all come out. Not sure how that plays out. Second, assuming Trump is convicted, does that mean we have to consider charging the 2016 participants ,including the democratic candidate, for the Crossfire Hurricane plot? That effort to influence the election, especially since it involved a number of governmental agencies and members of the administration, falls within the legal charges being brought by DOJ.
We have not heard from Mark Meadows in a long time. If he could point to Trump saying the magic words you Trump apologists [I kid] demand maybe this is more beyond a reasonable doubt than you folks think. Also, there are some quotes of Trump saying we have to leave these things to the next guy, or why he alone could handle Pence that detract from his "I'm a moron" defense.
Trump and Biden are both vying for who can be Hillary. If they are the candidates the looser will be, "just that bad of a candidate".
I don't know what Trump supporters are thinking---if he is the nominee, we could find ourselves with a candidate who at the least is so bogged down in legal issues that he cannot mount a campaign or at the most--in jail. Then what would we do? Republicans should move on from him and select a viable candidate who can win against this disastrous regime and completely take it apart. Trump will also need a friend in the WH who can pardon him but if he insists on staying in, there will be no one to help him or us. We should put the needs of our country first and foremost because that will benefit all of us in the long run. Those who feel a sense of loyalty to Trump can help him by sending him money for his legal fees but not by voting for him and taking the very high risk of putting Democrats back in office.
I hope there is someone else ( Republican) to vote for besides Trump. I am not sending him money for legal fees.
I'm with you--I don't have money for his legal fees and don't think others are responsible for them. But for those who feel they must do something for him out of a false sense of loyalty (I have no loyalty to political figures) I sure rather it be a donation than a vote.
The "charges" are based on whatever they could conjure up. First, you identify the "criminal", then you investigate to find the crime. Regardless of what you may think of Trump, his legal problems do NOT stem from crimes he's committed. They come, simply, from who he is - THE enemy of the LEFT.
THE enemy of the UniParty. There, FIFY.
Thanks.
The "charges" are based on what he said and what he thought. It used to be, in America, that one could not be charged for opinions and speech. As a matter of fact, none of the cases, including the "classified documents" one, should be charged unless the same laws apply to everyone who has done the same thing. I don't want him as the nominee, but I don't want him removed from the running by lying, cheating, lawfare, and manipulation of our laws. And as for it not ever being illegal for teachers to aid a child in "changing genders" behind parents backs, I beg to differ. We have always had laws that protected children from predators, which is exactly what these people are.
Charles Manson was sentenced to the gas chamber for what he said and what he thought,.
Um, no, not even a little bit. He did actually commit crimes.
I agree with your comments. Proving Trump’s state of mind will be challenging if he gets a “fair minded jury”. However, it is becoming more and more apparent that much of this is a political witch-hunt. Just look at the timing of the charges and the sheer number of separate charges with different venues, which constantly keeps all this in the press with each filing. The venue selections are in known trouble sites for Trump? but we are not seeing that same aggressiveness on the allegations about the President’s classified documents nor the allegations on he and Hunter’s foreign associations. I find it difficult to believe the public accepts that while on a speaker phone (that implies Joe was actually in the room and not a conference call) that only the weather was discussed with foreign persons and Joe leaves the speaker phone call with only weather being the only topic discussed. Just how long were those phone calls that weather was all that was discussed and were interpreters translating the words spoken?
I absolutely don’t support Trump taking the kinds of classified documents which involve national security. However, the Florida case final outcome could likely hinge on “attorney client privilege”. My guess is the Supreme Court will have much difficulty with supporting breaking attorney client privilege despite their being some exceptions to that privilege.
It would be interesting what might happen if both Trump & President Biden were both decide not to actually run. Personally I think that would be good & help the country move on.
45 pages long the indictment is - well he was 45.
Re: “outcome-determinative fraud.” Interesting comment yesterday from Trump's attorney on this indictment. He said that the indictment will give Trump subpoena authority to test some of the 'facts' used to indict him. That could be interesting. On another prospective indictment....i'm wondering how Georgia is going to deal with the apparent fact that our ballots are spoiled because we can't discern how we voted since we can't read the bar code that the machine uses to record our vote?
Once the money is gone, the lawyers will surely follow. Once the lawyers are gone the subpoenas will be gone. Jack Smith will lose interest as nothing will be gained by throwing the hollowed out husk of an old man, former President or not, in prison.
It is written in the Code of Federal Regulations that an applicant for an Airline Transport Pilot certificate must “be of good moral character.”
Why can’t it also be written into the CFR as a requirement (weak and ambiguous as it is) for elected office?
Who would “run the country” if that were the case?
Good point. But then we’d have to ask who would fly out airplanes, too. 😄
No it is Not possibly for Trump the loser to be elected in 24. That’s why millions of us are leaving the Republican Party. The Republican Party has more grifters than the roving bands of Gypsies of Europe. Republicans campaign for money while the democrat’s campaign to win.
And those democrat campaigns are virtuous indeed.
" /s ", right?
I’ll just say Come Lord Jesus and leave it at that….
My mother always advised me to clean the house before inviting guests over. I do wish Georgia's SofS would clean up this little mess before "The Gathering" begins: https://skeshel.substack.com/p/whats-300000-fictitious-votes-between
I went to Sandy Springs to check out the area. Quite Nice indeed. several nice places to have a drink etc. They also had a back-to-school night on the town green--police, fire department etc. doing the community engagement deal. I left and swung by Cumberland to pick up my daughter and her friend. They had a few drinks and were a bit verbose about their politics. BTW, they both voted Biden. They said they were done with Biden. They said he was too old.
I do not think Biden will run. The democrats will put the squeeze on Biden and force him out of the race. Otherwise, they are doomed. The Republicans will also move away from Trump. We have 6 months before the primaries and alot can happen.
Age is not the problem. Age-related health issues are! Just ask Senator Diane Feinstein... OK, maybe not her.
I hope you’re onto something, or I don’t think I can vote for President for the first time since I turned 21.
As you say: "...he wasn’t acting to break the law but to defend an election he thought was stolen." Indeed, Trump might have believed he was acting to prevent a crime FROM happening. The prosecution's case is entirely based on mind-reading. But, then, aside from the process crime relating to the classified documents case, every charge made against Trump has been based on a foundation of reading Trump's mind. Even the documents case is predicated on mind-reading why he kept or moved these documents. A ridiculous thing, or maybe not so ridiculous (which might explain why he's being targeted so ruthlessly) Trump TELLS us what he is thinking. Read his damn tweets. Listen to him talk. One doesn't need to read his mind. He might be the most transparent president and candidate we've ever had.
Transparent, yes. But dumb as hell to have ended up where he is. I will never vote Trump again.
All in All the accusers should watch their steps as this is End Times and their personal judgment by Jesus is close at hand. But in other news countries are freely giving up their sovereignty to the World Health Organization another pandemic in the wings . Population needs to be reduced. Easier to control a smaller World.
We
Website for World News by Michael Snyder Author of many books
themostimportantnews.com
The Population is, and will increase the rate of reduction as we go into WWIII before this coming election. The Bible tells us we will be having this one more war. But a lot more about end times that are coming and coming soon.
Blessings to you