It is now officially cheaper to drive 100 miles in a gas-powered vehicle as opposed to an electric vehicle. To make this data even more shocking, consider that electric vehicles are heavily subsidized through a myriad of government functions while oil producers are being crippled by the Biden administration and passing the cost on to the end consumer. It’s not just the United States with a backward energy policy, people are literally freezing to death in China while the country fights a predicable natural gas shortage. Without Russian energy, Europe was widely considered to be doomed this winter until unseasonably warm temperatures saved the region. Progressives more obsessed with ideology than viability have created these perverse energy incentives that are driving up prices and costing lives. Watch:
I just read where electric vehicles weigh 500 pounds more than a gas car and parking garages may not be able to handle the extra weight. Makes one wonder about the cars structure will it handle the weight long term.
Why? Erick why won't people listen to the truth about Joe Biden and what's known as the United Nations Agenda 21? Listen up! JOE BIDEN IS A BELIEVER IN AGENDA 21!!
He might have senility, but if you go back in time (possible because of it being recorded) and listen to Biden speaking about pouring BILLIONS into the fake premise of "man-made climate change" you will hear him make a statement about "folks we only have 9 years to fix it"
People who heard him thought he was saying climate change is going to destroy the world in 9 years, and they laughed at him! BUT THAT WASN'T what he was talking about!
If you read everything about that UN Agenda 21, you'll find that this is a Globalist scheme to rule the world with a One World Government we call the New World Order out of the UN, using the UN's blue helmet troops as world policemen to enforce their laws, one of which is disarming American citizens!
What Biden was talking about? If you study this Agenda 21, it has an 'end date' in which the real Deep State wants to take over the entire planet, and that end date comes in 2030, which is what Biden’s 9 years was actually talking about!
The EV's, wealth distribution away from oil and gas in the USA, bailing out third world nations WITH OUR MONEY, it's all in there! PLEASE RESEARCH IT! All you have to do is Google it and take time to read their plans to implement it!
Biden and his EV's , poee charging stations that don't have enough power to charge your car, ploting to kill our ability to use our vast oil and gas reserves...PLEASE READ IT, BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE LIKE BIDEN WANT TO KILL YOU, AND FIGHT THEM! Fauci, Gates, Bloomberg, etc are all in for it! Why? They are brainwashed into believing a lie! There is no such thing as man-made climate change! There IS climate change, and it's all controlled by our sun and factors such as the moon's gravitational pull. Don't let Biden affect you with the silliness of EV's and giving our funds to people who want us dead!
The Government of Georgia has sweetheart deals here inSouth Georgia with Hyundai. Giving them access to fresh Water wells in our county because the county they will be building in has saltwater intrusion in their aquifer. Even their farmers are not allowed sprinkler systems . Now I have zero control over the Governor and apparently you also have zero control.
I don’t like a lot of things government does . Yet my complaints aren’t fixing it.
I don’t want a strictly electric vehicle. After spending a lifetime working on Aircraft.Batteries have a tendency to go into thermal runaway while charging. If it happens in your garage then you car catches on fire and so does your house.
Thermal runaway is a frequent problem on airplanes.I can just hear the wife say I didn’t know it was Empty and I don’t know how to fill it.Besides no one should take advice from a senile old man that has never held a job outside of his government office.
And yet you have nothing to say about Gov Kemp and his monstrous mistake with Rivian. He spent $125,000,000 to buy 2,000 acres of land at 7-10x’s the lands value. Gave it to Rivian along with a 1.5 billion dollar tax deal. But the worst is the this land is still zoned agricultural for life as it was a large water reclamation tract. I know of several local residents who are experiencing muddy wells due to the excavation taking place. Anyone who has seen the drone videos can see how bad they are creating issues for the surrounding residents. Morgan County has no county water system or any of the many county support systems that will be needed to support this large of a plant. And no tax dollars from Rivian for 25 years. The lack of following the rules on this is so bad it can only be looked at as “someone getting rich” and don’t care how others are affected.
When John Schilling talks about cost of batteries, that is because the cost of all the mining to provide the material for those batteries is more than most people have a clue about. And as we would build more batteries IF we were to go to the ICE powered units, the cost would grow even more. I have a degree in AIAA and have flown over 28,000 hours all over the world and we are still lowering our bad air that these people think they are saving. Only the Lord changes the atmosphere. We are just here for awhile. If you want to look like an idiot, drive the ICE.
Having debated liberal policy makers on the matters of financial viability and cost-vs-benefit, half of them cannot do the math and the other half don't care. Their politics and ideology is more important that any concern of things costing more.
I think Haidt explained this as the missing moral filters of liberals. The have uncontrolled emotions over indications of harm and fairness. In fact, they can be manipulated by overplaying fears of harm or unfairness. Conservative brains have a much more diverse moral filter that includes factoring fairness and harm, but also does the math.
I agree with John Brewer, especially on the energy policy and the fact that the article is wrong, it is not cheaper to fuel a ICE vehicle. The article is correct that it is more expensive to use commercial chargers (fast chargers really since the regular ones are not so expensive), but they assume everyone runs around using those constantly. We have an EV in GA and our cost to "fill it up" is about 40 cents and we get up to 80 miles for that cost. I charged ours for free last night while we were at dinner with the Volta chargers, so even better. They also assume everyone buys the most expensive ESVEs (chargers) for their home. Ours was $350 including wiring a new 50 amp circuit to support it and it's still working great. Many EVs come with a charger as well, all you need is the 220V circuit for faster charging. We've owned the car for 8 years now and it saves us a lot on fuel costs compared to our other 2 vehicles (a 2 seater sports car and a pickup truck). Add in the fact that all of the maintenance cost in 100K miles has only been about $500 (12v battery, wipers & fluid and front ball joints in 8 years), it really is much cheaper.
On the other side of the coin, the range does go down in an EV as the battery degrades. When it gets to the point of replacing the battery, most EVs will end up in a junk yard since the batteries are so expensive to replace. The range also drops by 1/3 when the temp is below 30F and it dropped by 1/2 when we had the recent cold snap of 5F. Also, as with everything in the market, when the government started giving out $7500 "free money" to buy EVs, their prices magically rose by close to the same amount so their prices are artificially inflated and they depreciate quickly. That's the reason we bought ours when it was 2 years old and had 25K miles. It was a cheap buy for us at $8K, but the first owner took a bath after paying over $30K for it new.
There are pluses and minuses for both types of vehicles. We love our EV, but the government trying to force everyone to buy them is ludicrous and very costly to our economy and it needs to stop.
Agree our energy policy is whacked, but don't agree gas is cheaper than electric (in GA). IF you sign up for the EV program at GA power and then charge your EV between 11pm and 6am, the cost is 1 cent per KWh. So the big battery of a Ford F150 Lightning (150 KWh) would cost $1.50 to fully charge from zero.
I just read where electric vehicles weigh 500 pounds more than a gas car and parking garages may not be able to handle the extra weight. Makes one wonder about the cars structure will it handle the weight long term.
Salt on the roads up North.
Some of the comments...
I remember when
I remember, I remember when I lost my mind.
I think you're crazy
I find that writing in ALL CAPS is a highly convincing argument.
Why? Erick why won't people listen to the truth about Joe Biden and what's known as the United Nations Agenda 21? Listen up! JOE BIDEN IS A BELIEVER IN AGENDA 21!!
He might have senility, but if you go back in time (possible because of it being recorded) and listen to Biden speaking about pouring BILLIONS into the fake premise of "man-made climate change" you will hear him make a statement about "folks we only have 9 years to fix it"
People who heard him thought he was saying climate change is going to destroy the world in 9 years, and they laughed at him! BUT THAT WASN'T what he was talking about!
If you read everything about that UN Agenda 21, you'll find that this is a Globalist scheme to rule the world with a One World Government we call the New World Order out of the UN, using the UN's blue helmet troops as world policemen to enforce their laws, one of which is disarming American citizens!
What Biden was talking about? If you study this Agenda 21, it has an 'end date' in which the real Deep State wants to take over the entire planet, and that end date comes in 2030, which is what Biden’s 9 years was actually talking about!
The EV's, wealth distribution away from oil and gas in the USA, bailing out third world nations WITH OUR MONEY, it's all in there! PLEASE RESEARCH IT! All you have to do is Google it and take time to read their plans to implement it!
Biden and his EV's , poee charging stations that don't have enough power to charge your car, ploting to kill our ability to use our vast oil and gas reserves...PLEASE READ IT, BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE LIKE BIDEN WANT TO KILL YOU, AND FIGHT THEM! Fauci, Gates, Bloomberg, etc are all in for it! Why? They are brainwashed into believing a lie! There is no such thing as man-made climate change! There IS climate change, and it's all controlled by our sun and factors such as the moon's gravitational pull. Don't let Biden affect you with the silliness of EV's and giving our funds to people who want us dead!
The Government of Georgia has sweetheart deals here inSouth Georgia with Hyundai. Giving them access to fresh Water wells in our county because the county they will be building in has saltwater intrusion in their aquifer. Even their farmers are not allowed sprinkler systems . Now I have zero control over the Governor and apparently you also have zero control.
I don’t like a lot of things government does . Yet my complaints aren’t fixing it.
I don’t want a strictly electric vehicle. After spending a lifetime working on Aircraft.Batteries have a tendency to go into thermal runaway while charging. If it happens in your garage then you car catches on fire and so does your house.
Thermal runaway is a frequent problem on airplanes.I can just hear the wife say I didn’t know it was Empty and I don’t know how to fill it.Besides no one should take advice from a senile old man that has never held a job outside of his government office.
I am so glad to see you add this about airplanes, I fully agree with you as I have had a little experience with them.
And yet you have nothing to say about Gov Kemp and his monstrous mistake with Rivian. He spent $125,000,000 to buy 2,000 acres of land at 7-10x’s the lands value. Gave it to Rivian along with a 1.5 billion dollar tax deal. But the worst is the this land is still zoned agricultural for life as it was a large water reclamation tract. I know of several local residents who are experiencing muddy wells due to the excavation taking place. Anyone who has seen the drone videos can see how bad they are creating issues for the surrounding residents. Morgan County has no county water system or any of the many county support systems that will be needed to support this large of a plant. And no tax dollars from Rivian for 25 years. The lack of following the rules on this is so bad it can only be looked at as “someone getting rich” and don’t care how others are affected.
You are 100% correct. This Rivian "deal" is a huge mistake and is going to have a devastating affect on that entire community.
When John Schilling talks about cost of batteries, that is because the cost of all the mining to provide the material for those batteries is more than most people have a clue about. And as we would build more batteries IF we were to go to the ICE powered units, the cost would grow even more. I have a degree in AIAA and have flown over 28,000 hours all over the world and we are still lowering our bad air that these people think they are saving. Only the Lord changes the atmosphere. We are just here for awhile. If you want to look like an idiot, drive the ICE.
Having debated liberal policy makers on the matters of financial viability and cost-vs-benefit, half of them cannot do the math and the other half don't care. Their politics and ideology is more important that any concern of things costing more.
I think Haidt explained this as the missing moral filters of liberals. The have uncontrolled emotions over indications of harm and fairness. In fact, they can be manipulated by overplaying fears of harm or unfairness. Conservative brains have a much more diverse moral filter that includes factoring fairness and harm, but also does the math.
I agree with John Brewer, especially on the energy policy and the fact that the article is wrong, it is not cheaper to fuel a ICE vehicle. The article is correct that it is more expensive to use commercial chargers (fast chargers really since the regular ones are not so expensive), but they assume everyone runs around using those constantly. We have an EV in GA and our cost to "fill it up" is about 40 cents and we get up to 80 miles for that cost. I charged ours for free last night while we were at dinner with the Volta chargers, so even better. They also assume everyone buys the most expensive ESVEs (chargers) for their home. Ours was $350 including wiring a new 50 amp circuit to support it and it's still working great. Many EVs come with a charger as well, all you need is the 220V circuit for faster charging. We've owned the car for 8 years now and it saves us a lot on fuel costs compared to our other 2 vehicles (a 2 seater sports car and a pickup truck). Add in the fact that all of the maintenance cost in 100K miles has only been about $500 (12v battery, wipers & fluid and front ball joints in 8 years), it really is much cheaper.
On the other side of the coin, the range does go down in an EV as the battery degrades. When it gets to the point of replacing the battery, most EVs will end up in a junk yard since the batteries are so expensive to replace. The range also drops by 1/3 when the temp is below 30F and it dropped by 1/2 when we had the recent cold snap of 5F. Also, as with everything in the market, when the government started giving out $7500 "free money" to buy EVs, their prices magically rose by close to the same amount so their prices are artificially inflated and they depreciate quickly. That's the reason we bought ours when it was 2 years old and had 25K miles. It was a cheap buy for us at $8K, but the first owner took a bath after paying over $30K for it new.
There are pluses and minuses for both types of vehicles. We love our EV, but the government trying to force everyone to buy them is ludicrous and very costly to our economy and it needs to stop.
Agree our energy policy is whacked, but don't agree gas is cheaper than electric (in GA). IF you sign up for the EV program at GA power and then charge your EV between 11pm and 6am, the cost is 1 cent per KWh. So the big battery of a Ford F150 Lightning (150 KWh) would cost $1.50 to fully charge from zero.