I initially held off on commenting because I wanted to think about this before opening my mouth. But this morning I reread this post and still believe what I'm about to say holds up. My personal feelings are right there with you; good riddance, let's dance on this evil b@stard's grave. I believe Nasrallah was an evil man capable of evil and unspeakable things. But the left believes Trump is an evil man capable of evil and unspeakable things. While we could argue all day long why those parallels are radically wrong, that statement remains irrefutably true. So by celebrating Nasrallah's death, are we unknowingly guilty of encouraging and condoning a would-be assassin's actions through their moral equivalence? I'm struggling with this right now.
Two things: Bill O’Rielly is right. There is no hope for course correction for Trump. He will always make stupid comments that have consequences. Negative ones.
2) Let us pray that JD Vance won’t follow his leaders “Lead” with more meaningless name calling.
The Zionist regime in Israel may be winning the latest round of Middle East destruction using its US-funded war machine to totally annex the land known post WW1 as Palestine, but is it killing Israel's opportunity for a peaceful future? The regime has shown it can kill hundreds of thousands of people including their leadership. It has shown it can destroy tens of thousands of tons of the enemies' weaponry. But for what future? Another generation of Palestinians and Lebanese will grow up with the hatred in their hearts and minds engendered by the memory of parents and relatives killed by the determined and mindful destruction by ???? They will not remember that it was the Zionists who were the cause of this destruction but by the whole Israeli state and people.
Total miswriting of contemporary Lebanese history!!!! Perhaps to serve your own ends???? The destruction of Beirut began in earnest in 1973 when the Lebanese political house of cards fell apart and a civil war ensued. It included a whole series of events and actors both domestic and foreign meddling in the affairs of an accidental state of a mixture of religious groups created by the French several decades before the State of Israel was created. Hezbollah was created in 1982 in reaction to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon all the way to Beirut to destroy Palestinian refugee camps in the city. Of course the complexity of what has happened in the zone cannot be adequately addressed in either an Erickson scree or my response. And I was as much an eye-witness as he was because I was the American Cultural Attache directing a center outside the Embassy for almost a year, Dec.77 to Oct 78. My assignment was broken because it became too dangerous (the center was bombed a year later.)
Sorry to offend you Bob. I wasn’t born in 1973. I just remember the stories of my friends, who were refugees, when I was a kid. Glad you set it straight. Maybe your presumption could be I got something wrong as opposed to “serving [my] own ends.”
I also grew up in a post-WW2 NYC suburb where Jewish families were part of the "2nd" immigration from the city to the burbs along with the other two "I"s - Italians and Irish and a hodge podge of immigrants settling amongst the Wasps who had first settled in 1643. We were pro-Israel to the core. We supported the 1967 pre-emptive war into the 70's and above-all the peace process which would formalize Israel's place in the world. However, it soon seemed that neither the Israeli govt nor the recognized Palestinian leadership could trust the two-state solution. But the stalemate was not one between equals. The Israelis had all the power of the gun - offered them by the USG - and all the Palestinians had were rocks to throw. That military occupation accompanied by permanent annexations and "Jewish" settlements in the Golan Heights and West Bank is now more than a half century old. Do you really think that a people's leadership is going to accept that? The descendants of the original British settlers of America certainly didn't when the British crown became too oppressive.
Think like a Palestinian - whether living in Israel, the occupied lands or the diaspora (est. 6M of whom a quarter million in the US.) What would you be thinking?
The group officially can into being but ask those also living there at the time they were there. Of course the experiment of dividing power between religions was doomed but both Syria & Iran were working to take Lebanon from inside. Allowing all the Palestinians in also destabilized further as too many bent on destroying Israel and like now dragging Lebanese into war. So the real facts are there are those who want power, what others have (jealousy) greed, an/or to be part of something or just plain fear. Then you add hatred manufactured or real and you have a terrorist groups running (ruining) Lebanon & Gaza. It was once a prosperous place now you can’t even get your own money out.
So is there too much complexity involved for you to be able to agree that the removal of Nasrallah from the scene is a good thing, a long-deserved thing?
Not at all!!! The creation of Hezbollah was due to several factors but the prime ones were: a weak Lebanese state unable to defend its territory and the impunity of the IDF as they went head-hunting for Palestinians on Lebanese territory and occupied a part of south Lebanon for years.. So its original reason was defensive and only serendipity - the arrival of the Ayatollahs in Iran and the maturing of Hassan Nasrallah as an effective leader and strategist - gave it the ability to become the effective offensive - as well as defensive - force that it became!!!
What would also be a good thing is the removal of Bibi and the hard-right wing Zionists whose support both enables and forces him to continue killing Palestinians and effective annexation of the West Bank and Gaza through the IDF and the settler movement. The hard right of Israel's Zionist movement which now effectively determines Israeli government policy revels in the death or "voluntary" departure of every Palestinian from the West Bank or Gaza and even Arab Israelis.
You conveniently leave out the fact Israel has been under attack and on defense since the moment it became a state. You leave out the fact that Israel went hunting for Arab TERRORISTS in Lebanon, not just peace-loving "Palestinians." Those "Palestinians" left Israel in advance of a war in which, they hoped, Israel would be annihilated, after which they counted on returning to their homes. They picked the wrong side in that fight. It's no surprise they weren't welcome to return. (And by the way, there's no such thing as a "Palestinian;" it's a made-up political term, admitted as such by PLO leader Zuheir Mohsen. There's no Palestinian language, there's no Palestinian history, there's no Palestinian culture.) It's strange that none of their Arab brethren throughout the Mideast have been willing to assimilate them. Your characterization of the "arrival" of the Ayatollahs as serendipitous is frankly nauseating. Your failure to mention the October 7 massacre as the reason Netanyahu had to go into Gaza is telling. You say he's "forced" to "kill Palestinians" because of the support of hard-right Zionists. My understanding is that it's not just hard right Zionists who are supporting him now: it's a broad spectrum of the Israeli population. They like what he's doing in Lebanon. Your take on this whole situation is exactly what's wrong with the State Department. IMO. All this apologizing for terrorists has destabilized the world. Congratulations.
And who can blame the Israelis? We all know why the USA has been cut out of the loop, and why the Israelis are telling the UN to commit an anatomical impossibility. Those chickens have come home to roost.
God will not be mocked.
No, Israel has not been perfect. They never have been--just open your Bible. But they aren't committing the unspeakable evils that their enemy is. They don't want their enemy annihilated--just to leave them the hell alone.
Islam needs to find its Martin Luther, and fast, before it becomes a nihilistic suicide cult--Jonestown without the Kool-Aid. Obviously, as a Christian, I'd love for them to realize that Isa is more than just a prophet--He is the Son of God. But baby steps here to stop the bleeding.
I remember a joke in Readers Digest about the 72 virgins except they were getting their ass beat by 72 Virginian’s .
Now it will hot day at the beach for Hezbollah where you will guided to Hell for eternity by a Jew.
I initially held off on commenting because I wanted to think about this before opening my mouth. But this morning I reread this post and still believe what I'm about to say holds up. My personal feelings are right there with you; good riddance, let's dance on this evil b@stard's grave. I believe Nasrallah was an evil man capable of evil and unspeakable things. But the left believes Trump is an evil man capable of evil and unspeakable things. While we could argue all day long why those parallels are radically wrong, that statement remains irrefutably true. So by celebrating Nasrallah's death, are we unknowingly guilty of encouraging and condoning a would-be assassin's actions through their moral equivalence? I'm struggling with this right now.
Two things: Bill O’Rielly is right. There is no hope for course correction for Trump. He will always make stupid comments that have consequences. Negative ones.
2) Let us pray that JD Vance won’t follow his leaders “Lead” with more meaningless name calling.
The Zionist regime in Israel may be winning the latest round of Middle East destruction using its US-funded war machine to totally annex the land known post WW1 as Palestine, but is it killing Israel's opportunity for a peaceful future? The regime has shown it can kill hundreds of thousands of people including their leadership. It has shown it can destroy tens of thousands of tons of the enemies' weaponry. But for what future? Another generation of Palestinians and Lebanese will grow up with the hatred in their hearts and minds engendered by the memory of parents and relatives killed by the determined and mindful destruction by ???? They will not remember that it was the Zionists who were the cause of this destruction but by the whole Israeli state and people.
Hassan, you've got some 'splainin' to do!
God bless Israel.
Nice back hand to the Post.
Bye Felicia!
The title 'Leader of Hezbollah' now ranks up there with 'World's Oldest Person.'
Neither title will be held for long.
Love your closing paragraph!
Total miswriting of contemporary Lebanese history!!!! Perhaps to serve your own ends???? The destruction of Beirut began in earnest in 1973 when the Lebanese political house of cards fell apart and a civil war ensued. It included a whole series of events and actors both domestic and foreign meddling in the affairs of an accidental state of a mixture of religious groups created by the French several decades before the State of Israel was created. Hezbollah was created in 1982 in reaction to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon all the way to Beirut to destroy Palestinian refugee camps in the city. Of course the complexity of what has happened in the zone cannot be adequately addressed in either an Erickson scree or my response. And I was as much an eye-witness as he was because I was the American Cultural Attache directing a center outside the Embassy for almost a year, Dec.77 to Oct 78. My assignment was broken because it became too dangerous (the center was bombed a year later.)
Sorry to offend you Bob. I wasn’t born in 1973. I just remember the stories of my friends, who were refugees, when I was a kid. Glad you set it straight. Maybe your presumption could be I got something wrong as opposed to “serving [my] own ends.”
I also grew up in a post-WW2 NYC suburb where Jewish families were part of the "2nd" immigration from the city to the burbs along with the other two "I"s - Italians and Irish and a hodge podge of immigrants settling amongst the Wasps who had first settled in 1643. We were pro-Israel to the core. We supported the 1967 pre-emptive war into the 70's and above-all the peace process which would formalize Israel's place in the world. However, it soon seemed that neither the Israeli govt nor the recognized Palestinian leadership could trust the two-state solution. But the stalemate was not one between equals. The Israelis had all the power of the gun - offered them by the USG - and all the Palestinians had were rocks to throw. That military occupation accompanied by permanent annexations and "Jewish" settlements in the Golan Heights and West Bank is now more than a half century old. Do you really think that a people's leadership is going to accept that? The descendants of the original British settlers of America certainly didn't when the British crown became too oppressive.
Think like a Palestinian - whether living in Israel, the occupied lands or the diaspora (est. 6M of whom a quarter million in the US.) What would you be thinking?
Criticism taken.
The group officially can into being but ask those also living there at the time they were there. Of course the experiment of dividing power between religions was doomed but both Syria & Iran were working to take Lebanon from inside. Allowing all the Palestinians in also destabilized further as too many bent on destroying Israel and like now dragging Lebanese into war. So the real facts are there are those who want power, what others have (jealousy) greed, an/or to be part of something or just plain fear. Then you add hatred manufactured or real and you have a terrorist groups running (ruining) Lebanon & Gaza. It was once a prosperous place now you can’t even get your own money out.
So is there too much complexity involved for you to be able to agree that the removal of Nasrallah from the scene is a good thing, a long-deserved thing?
Not at all!!! The creation of Hezbollah was due to several factors but the prime ones were: a weak Lebanese state unable to defend its territory and the impunity of the IDF as they went head-hunting for Palestinians on Lebanese territory and occupied a part of south Lebanon for years.. So its original reason was defensive and only serendipity - the arrival of the Ayatollahs in Iran and the maturing of Hassan Nasrallah as an effective leader and strategist - gave it the ability to become the effective offensive - as well as defensive - force that it became!!!
What would also be a good thing is the removal of Bibi and the hard-right wing Zionists whose support both enables and forces him to continue killing Palestinians and effective annexation of the West Bank and Gaza through the IDF and the settler movement. The hard right of Israel's Zionist movement which now effectively determines Israeli government policy revels in the death or "voluntary" departure of every Palestinian from the West Bank or Gaza and even Arab Israelis.
Try reading https://jinsa.org/israel-palestinians-genocide-harounoff/ The url, like many headlines is misleading because the report is mostly about segregation and deprivation of rights.
You conveniently leave out the fact Israel has been under attack and on defense since the moment it became a state. You leave out the fact that Israel went hunting for Arab TERRORISTS in Lebanon, not just peace-loving "Palestinians." Those "Palestinians" left Israel in advance of a war in which, they hoped, Israel would be annihilated, after which they counted on returning to their homes. They picked the wrong side in that fight. It's no surprise they weren't welcome to return. (And by the way, there's no such thing as a "Palestinian;" it's a made-up political term, admitted as such by PLO leader Zuheir Mohsen. There's no Palestinian language, there's no Palestinian history, there's no Palestinian culture.) It's strange that none of their Arab brethren throughout the Mideast have been willing to assimilate them. Your characterization of the "arrival" of the Ayatollahs as serendipitous is frankly nauseating. Your failure to mention the October 7 massacre as the reason Netanyahu had to go into Gaza is telling. You say he's "forced" to "kill Palestinians" because of the support of hard-right Zionists. My understanding is that it's not just hard right Zionists who are supporting him now: it's a broad spectrum of the Israeli population. They like what he's doing in Lebanon. Your take on this whole situation is exactly what's wrong with the State Department. IMO. All this apologizing for terrorists has destabilized the world. Congratulations.
A very good reason for celebration.
Especially loved that last sentence!
Blinken and Sullivan must be so upset. Totally irrelevant.
The Beeb had an article ( https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgn5xkp3rko ) lamenting the fact that the West no longer has any sway over Israel.
And who can blame the Israelis? We all know why the USA has been cut out of the loop, and why the Israelis are telling the UN to commit an anatomical impossibility. Those chickens have come home to roost.
God will not be mocked.
No, Israel has not been perfect. They never have been--just open your Bible. But they aren't committing the unspeakable evils that their enemy is. They don't want their enemy annihilated--just to leave them the hell alone.
Islam needs to find its Martin Luther, and fast, before it becomes a nihilistic suicide cult--Jonestown without the Kool-Aid. Obviously, as a Christian, I'd love for them to realize that Isa is more than just a prophet--He is the Son of God. But baby steps here to stop the bleeding.
Buh Bye now.