Erick--I really really need the facts to present to normally reasonable people who have nevertheless been duped by the "stolen election" rhetoric. Perhaps it should be simple, but I'm a homeschool mom who only has so many hours in a day to research. It seems you've already spent the time doing the work. Is there somewhere where you have compiled all the stupidity into a definitive list of Trump legal team failures/lies? Or has someone else done it. I REALLY need these facts in one place if there's any way that can happen. And it CANNOT come from msm...or they won't even bother listening...
After seeing not one republican senator object to the electors from Georgia last night,I turned the tv off. Our children,grandchildren and great grandchildren will be adversely affected by the republican weasels who refused to stand up for our President. In the months and years ahead, people will look back to this time, and see there were two types of people in the U.S. Those who stood with Donald J. Trump to save America and those who stood with china to help destroy it. There is no middle ground because those not helping to save America are helping to destroy it. I refuse to vote for any weasel republican who back stabbed Trump. They are indeed even worse than leftist democrats, if that is even possible.
I suppose our country deserves this. We have turned away from God and like the ancient Israelites who repeatedly turned from God, we are being punished. Unfortunately, the innocent get punished also as well as the transgressors.
I don’t know why you advocate for 2nd Amendment rights so frequently, you are far too much of a blow hard coward to ever use a firearm in defense of your country.
I’m done with you, and I hope even the lowly WSB tosses you on your butt.
Erick, I am concerned when you say, shoot the protestors. I don’t believe the election was stolen. There should have been a conciliatory message from President Trump. I have not watched one iota of this coverage as I don’t want it in my soul or psyche. Everything is going to be ok. The sun will come up tomorrow and God is still on the throne. Everyone relax.
You have nailed it 100%. The Authenticator of election fraud is infatuated with the image that he did not lose and unfortunately, as you previously stated, heavily stained the desire to vote by crucial voters since their president and his legal team assured them their votes could be negated by cheating.
The Capitol police handled this unprecedented situation quite reasonably, admirably. We will get through this. If Ted and Josh do not stand down, their bold attempt at mutiny will be lost in the whirlwind of irrelevance.
As my dad used to say back in the ole days of my Louisiana youth . . . it's hard to remember when you're ass-deep in alligators, that your objective was to drain the swamp.
My Heavenly Father was on His throne during this pandemic madness. He was on His throne during the burning of American cities all year. He was on His throne November 3rd. And He is on His throne today. He his my protector and my redeemer. He is my the Great Physician and the source of my provision. Tomorrow I will cook breakfast for my husband, make my bed, and go to work. I will continue to love my family and be kind to my neighbors. I do not believe we experienced a fair election but I also do not believe it was stolen. America 🇺🇸 is still standing.
As an election judge in Texas, I know how elections work. I have watched the videos of people claiming voter fraud and know how each of the claims can be shown to be not true. In my experience, the people who claim that the election was stolen are governed by emotion and by ignorance of the process.
show me an election not governed by emotion. you see how much out of state money was spent on this election...emotion. I'd also be curious to see an analytical breakdown of the election questions, just in GA.
You are right that emotion plays a part in any election, but the depth of the emotion varies with each individual. The way that I challenge someone whom I think is running on emotion is as follows: For one week watch Fox News from 7:00 - 8:00, MSNBC from 8:00-8:00, and CNN from 9:00-10:00. Those who refuse do not want to hear anything contrary to their point of view and is a person running on emotion. To date, I have had ZERO takers on the challenge.
Along with the Television news there are a myriad of reputable websites that cover the issues. Americans have a unique ability to access a gross amount of information but so many simply wish to indulge in confirmation bias, relying on the same people sharing the same perspective.
If a person's 'truth' cannot withstand serious examination and debate then I would be wary of declaring it 'truth'. More times than not it's simply a perspective based on what a person finds most comfortable to believe; that is not 'truth'.
I would just add that as Erick has said I think several times, there are problems with every election. If we are going to set aside the results just because there were problems - that is, when those problems were not of such magnitude as to change the outcome - then we might as well not have elections because every single one would be set aside.
With regard to your comment about evidence, I agree with your observation that the responses by the court indicated there was no evidence mentioned in the pleadings. I am not a lawyer, so I can't judge that comment, and I will defer to your claim that no evidence was presented.
However, a great deal of troubling evidence has been presented to state legislatures. Some information has been posted online. I have been frustrated and mystified by the lack of follow-up in the press and among the various legal types supposedly on the trail of the problem.
Ultimately I feel that the evidence I can see demands that people who can do so pursue the problem. Many of us thought the Congress would pursue the problem. Many of us thought a commission and 10 days to examine the evidence in six states would provide a foundation for a vote count in which we could believe. That is the truth I was looking for, and that is the truth most of my conversation partners were looking for.
As things stand now, I still believe that investigation should happen. I believe every state in the union should be looking at their processes with a view to being ready for total transparency in their processes going forward. It hurts to see Congress simply cave, because it is pretty clear that a lot of fraudulent votes led this outcome. I will not march or burn anything down, but I will always harbor resentment toward every person who turned his/her back on reports of questionable votes. My vote only matters if every vote comes from a real person who is both alive and eligible to vote. Otherwise, it is all a joke, and the best trickster wins. Guess what. Every tyrant has a PHD in vote fraud.
And if it were "pretty clear" that fraudulent votes led to this outcome, Messrs. Trump and Giuliani would not be 0 for each and every time in establishing that in court.
Why was that "troubling evidence" presented to state legislatures but not in court, when the courts have always been the place where election challenges are resolved? I do not claim that no evidence was presented, going only on what I have read. I only suggest that if evidence was never considered, the failure to plead the existence of potentially outcome-changing irregularities could be the reason why.
If one judge after another - Democrats, Republicans and Trump appointees alike - and then one appellate court after another - state, federal and even the Supreme Court - found no merit in challenges to the election, why is that not sufficient? I have actually participated in legislative hearings. There is no cross-examination of witnesses, authentication of evidence or anything else that would ensure a fair process.
More importantly, legislative bodies are undoubtedly partisan. Looking at precisely the same information, every Democrat in Congress voted to remove Trump from office and every Republican but one, to acquit. Stated another way, tell me the legislative body examining the matter and I will tell you what what the outcome will be. That is why we have these things called courts, which are designed to be as fair, impartial and well suited to the determination of truth as possible.
I misspoke here. Both sides get to question witnesses in legislative hearings, but the process lacks a great many safeguards that help ensure proper and fully informed questioning. Most notably, trials feature a process called "discovery," whereby each side gets to see what the other side has, in advance.
As Donna first indicated, most people don't understand how the process works. First, the burden of proof is on those who bring a challenge; meaning that no one has to prove there was no problem. Rather, those who would challenge the election must prove that there was.
Even then, a further and very important point is that being able to prove the existence of a problem is not enough. One must first plead, and then also prove, that the problem changed the election outcome. A lawyer signing off on a pleading later shown to have clearly lacked any basis can get in big trouble for doing so. Hence, I expect that where evidence was not actually heard by the court, it is because the lawyers never claimed (pled) that they had evidence that could have changed the result. In this event, a legal challenge would never even get to the evidentiary stage, where a problem might actually be proven.
This is one aspect of the scam that has been run on people who do not understand the process. When Trump's people claim that some court never even looked at the evidence, that could be entirely true. What they leave out is the reason why; which seems always to have been that they failed to sufficiently plead a claim entitling the President to any relief.
That is, lacking enough evidence of fraud that it could have changed the outcome, they never even pled fraud. Then they turned around and told people like you that the courts refused to consider the evidence, which was technically true, but for the reasons just stated, grossly misleading. The courts never considered the evidence because Trump's lawyers fell so short of having enough evidence of fraud to change the outcome, they never pled a case that would allow them to present any of it.
My Trump as Nero comment yesterday seems to be even more accurate today. He has gone over the edge. It's a shame because he presided over some good things, particularly regarding Israel. None of that will ever matter. And I don't think the US will recover any time soon. Come Lord Jesus. Deliver us from the evil set loose.
All Trump supporters. Why dismiss the pictures of the BLM protesters dressed up as Trump supporters? It's not hard to identify them by their unique tattoos. It's also not hard to think that anarchists would infiltrate an open protest. They have done that all summer.
When the idiots who stormed the Capitol are identified (as many of them will be, given all the video taken of the event), confirming that they are Trump supporters - just as their actions would seem to indicate - I hope that you will reconsider all the other conspiracy theory nonsense that you probably believe.
I don't believe any conspiracy theories but I do have questions. You seem to not question much. If you look at this situation without bias you may understand there are more layers than what you see on the surface.
Have you ever worked as an election judge? I take that position very seriously, so seriously that after the November 3 election, my Democrat alternate judge emailed that now he understood why I am so attentive to detail.
I tend not to simply believe anybody. I get my information from both mainstream and conservative media . . . and then I think for myself.
As I evaluate the notion that yesterday's anarchy was the work of leftists, I mainly consider the numbers. It would take a lot of agent provocateurs - and some extraordinarily skilled ones - to lead that number of people into acting as they did.
As I said, however, lots of these knuckleheads will be identified. Moreover, given people's propensity these days for posting incriminating video or photographic material on their social media pages, we should be able to determine whether very many were affiliated with Antifa. So we may soon see which of us is right.
As for BLM, however, I can pretty much assure you that its black adherents (which I expect would constitute a heavy majority) steered clear. For obvious reasons, they would have been pretty easy to spot.
I would confess to one aspect of bias: I believe most things to be EXACTLY what they seem to be.
Not a Trump supporter, but you are right. Not that it excuses anything that anyone has done but it isn't hard to imagine that Antifa and BLM, who have openly vowed 'to burn the system down' would infiltrate and agitate. That said, the protestors are now on worldwide 'blast' and will be easily located. I guess we'll see.
I saw that early this morning, Donna. If you saw the lunatic wearing the fur hat with horns and no shirt... that's Jake Angeli - the Q-Anon Shaman. *sigh*
Jake is a known agitator. You'd think after the pizza-gate debacle people would have stopped giving Q-anon attention.
This is why folks (me included) need to check and recheck their information.
A sitting Republican judge told me that if I tell people that I investigate both sides of an issue, I will be called names. Too late. I already have been called names that would put Bill Maher to shame.
In case you have not heard, 3 Republican governors have said that Trump needs to be removed from office. The number of people in the Trump administration who have resigned keeps growing.
Are any of you represented by a a Congressman and/or Senator who leveled objections to any state's Electoral College count yesterday?
Before the insurrection, Guiliani (sp?) spoke to the crowd about using combat. After the riot, Trump called it a great day. Trump did not call out the Guard; Pence did. The names of those who have so far been identified as participants in the storming of the Capital are Proud Boys.
I am disappointed in you now. I completely agree that mobs are not the sort of free expression I support and admire. I am sad to see this behavior.
But "shoot the protestors"? Are you serious? They haven't shot anyone. They haven't burned anything. They mostly seem like the fans on the losing side of the championship game.
I feel the same way they do. I know the votes that made Biden president were created out of thin air. Plenty of dead people and non-existent people voted. I don't feel that my outrage should ever be expressed in viiolence, but the people in the capitol are hardly violent. They are mostly just terribly upset and outraged that nobody will look at the evidence.
I have prayed for truth to be found. If the evidence were examined, and all the real votes added up to a win for Biden, then I would be quiet. Disappointed, but quiet. That isn't what happened. Way too many people who could have acted have simply dismissed the people who want to show evidence of fraud. If there is no fraud, why not look and prove that it isn't there?!?!?!?!
But please. Dont go around saying "Shoot the protestors." I don't even feel that is the right response to people who are setting fires in the street unless they are making attacks on the police.. Is it even possible for you to mean what you said? Think about it!
I don't want people shot either however; I am not sure what 'losing side of the championship game' you are referring to but when hundreds of people storm our nation's capitol, ransack, destroy federal papers, threaten law enforcement, and break into offices that is a federal offense and, personally I hope they feel the full force of the laws they broke come down upon them.
These folks are doing EXACTLY the same thing that BLM and Antifa have done, did anyone claim those riots and acts of violence were acting like 'fans on the losing side of the championship game' and rightly so.
Folks that believe that the election was fixed are being played by photoshopped and edited footage of voting polls. The President has not offered anything substantial in the way of hard evidence of mass voting fraud, and he won't because he can't. He knows that a good conspiracy is only viable when there is ambiguous claims made, unsubstantiated rumors and rigged videos. There is nothing that will convince those 'true believers' that the election/voting wasn't 'rigged', just like there are people that swear that the moon landing was faked, that the white patriarchy is the root of all evil and that our system must be burnt down.
The real zinger is these idiots stormed the Captiol which is covered in surveillance and their faces are now being broadcast across the world as they vandalize and threaten Federal property and employees. Not a bright bulb in the lot.
Excellent question. I'd love to know how they were able to gain ground on Federal property without being stopped by any authorities. The best I've been able to gleam from the info available is that they actually 'pushed' through and because of their numbers made headway. It was Mike Pence that finally called in the military. Apparently, Trump did not.
I am disappointed in you now. I completely agree that mobs are not the sort of free expression I support and admire. I am sad to see this behavior.
But "shoot the protestors"? Are you serious? They haven't shot anyone. They haven't burned anything. They mostly seem like the fans on the losing side of the championship game.
I feel the same way they do. I know the votes that made Biden president were created out of thin air. Plenty of dead people and non-existent people voted. I don't feel that my outrage should ever be expressed in viiolence, but the people in the capitol are hardly violent. They are mostly just terribly upset and outraged that nobody will look at the evidence.
I have prayed for truth to be found. If the evidence were examined, and all the real votes added up to a win for Biden, then I would be quiet. Disappointed, but quiet. That isn't what happened. Way too many people who could have acted have simply dismissed the people who want to show evidence of fraud. If there is no fraud, why not look and prove that it isn't there?!?!?!?!
But please. Dont go around saying "Shoot the protestors." I don't even feel that is the right response to people who are setting fires in the street unless they are making attacks on the police.. Is it even possible for you to mean what you said? Think about it!
The seeds for this were sown with “The Resistance” marching in DC when Trump was elected, with the “protests” at the Kavanaugh hearings, with the rioting and violence that went unpunished all year long, with 4 years of anti-Trump protests, the “occupation” in CHAZ and Portland, the closing of houses of worship during the past year, the cancel culture and violence against Trump supporters, but...I thought “our side” was smarter than that. They had to know this would accomplish nothing...at least nothing that they wanted it to accomplish.
To a degree this is the fault of the Democrats who disrespected Trump for 4 years, followed by the media, to such a degree that many people never had a chance to know the good he did. Trump is a narcissist who is enraged at this point. But there are many in the House with the same personality flaw, but not pushed to their limits as was Trump. As the Congress demands the police protection they soon hope to defund and the National Guard they also disrespect, we witness their fear, a fear recently shared as our nations store owners begged for police and Guard protection as they witnessed their businesses destroyed by ANTIFA. But the Democrats turned their backs on them. I hate Trump is going out in such a despicable manner IF the people doing this are Trump supporters and not plants. It is wrong!
I believe that we can find lots of people that share responsibility for this, hopefully, final debacle. I do remember when Trump was campaigning how he spoke with supreme disrespect about the Senators that were serving at that time. He called names, accused people of being everything from a Hitler supporter to 'horse-faced'. He spoke about government as if he had a clue - having never served in any public service before.
If there is to be a 'starting point' for any of this mess, I believe he is it.
I believe in karma, or if you prefer, reaping what you sow. Trump sowed some very sour seeds
Erick--I really really need the facts to present to normally reasonable people who have nevertheless been duped by the "stolen election" rhetoric. Perhaps it should be simple, but I'm a homeschool mom who only has so many hours in a day to research. It seems you've already spent the time doing the work. Is there somewhere where you have compiled all the stupidity into a definitive list of Trump legal team failures/lies? Or has someone else done it. I REALLY need these facts in one place if there's any way that can happen. And it CANNOT come from msm...or they won't even bother listening...
After seeing not one republican senator object to the electors from Georgia last night,I turned the tv off. Our children,grandchildren and great grandchildren will be adversely affected by the republican weasels who refused to stand up for our President. In the months and years ahead, people will look back to this time, and see there were two types of people in the U.S. Those who stood with Donald J. Trump to save America and those who stood with china to help destroy it. There is no middle ground because those not helping to save America are helping to destroy it. I refuse to vote for any weasel republican who back stabbed Trump. They are indeed even worse than leftist democrats, if that is even possible.
I suppose our country deserves this. We have turned away from God and like the ancient Israelites who repeatedly turned from God, we are being punished. Unfortunately, the innocent get punished also as well as the transgressors.
Erick, could the "Trump Political Fund" be frozen and funds be used to repair the Capitol building?
“Shoot the protestors” Erick.
I don’t know why you advocate for 2nd Amendment rights so frequently, you are far too much of a blow hard coward to ever use a firearm in defense of your country.
I’m done with you, and I hope even the lowly WSB tosses you on your butt.
Erick, I am concerned when you say, shoot the protestors. I don’t believe the election was stolen. There should have been a conciliatory message from President Trump. I have not watched one iota of this coverage as I don’t want it in my soul or psyche. Everything is going to be ok. The sun will come up tomorrow and God is still on the throne. Everyone relax.
You have nailed it 100%. The Authenticator of election fraud is infatuated with the image that he did not lose and unfortunately, as you previously stated, heavily stained the desire to vote by crucial voters since their president and his legal team assured them their votes could be negated by cheating.
The Capitol police handled this unprecedented situation quite reasonably, admirably. We will get through this. If Ted and Josh do not stand down, their bold attempt at mutiny will be lost in the whirlwind of irrelevance.
As my dad used to say back in the ole days of my Louisiana youth . . . it's hard to remember when you're ass-deep in alligators, that your objective was to drain the swamp.
“Shoot the protestors”???????
There goes your Christian witness.........never to be recovered again.
My Heavenly Father was on His throne during this pandemic madness. He was on His throne during the burning of American cities all year. He was on His throne November 3rd. And He is on His throne today. He his my protector and my redeemer. He is my the Great Physician and the source of my provision. Tomorrow I will cook breakfast for my husband, make my bed, and go to work. I will continue to love my family and be kind to my neighbors. I do not believe we experienced a fair election but I also do not believe it was stolen. America 🇺🇸 is still standing.
As an election judge in Texas, I know how elections work. I have watched the videos of people claiming voter fraud and know how each of the claims can be shown to be not true. In my experience, the people who claim that the election was stolen are governed by emotion and by ignorance of the process.
show me an election not governed by emotion. you see how much out of state money was spent on this election...emotion. I'd also be curious to see an analytical breakdown of the election questions, just in GA.
You are right that emotion plays a part in any election, but the depth of the emotion varies with each individual. The way that I challenge someone whom I think is running on emotion is as follows: For one week watch Fox News from 7:00 - 8:00, MSNBC from 8:00-8:00, and CNN from 9:00-10:00. Those who refuse do not want to hear anything contrary to their point of view and is a person running on emotion. To date, I have had ZERO takers on the challenge.
Along with the Television news there are a myriad of reputable websites that cover the issues. Americans have a unique ability to access a gross amount of information but so many simply wish to indulge in confirmation bias, relying on the same people sharing the same perspective.
If a person's 'truth' cannot withstand serious examination and debate then I would be wary of declaring it 'truth'. More times than not it's simply a perspective based on what a person finds most comfortable to believe; that is not 'truth'.
If it is so easy to prove that there is no problem, then why doesn't anybody prove it?
I would just add that as Erick has said I think several times, there are problems with every election. If we are going to set aside the results just because there were problems - that is, when those problems were not of such magnitude as to change the outcome - then we might as well not have elections because every single one would be set aside.
With regard to your comment about evidence, I agree with your observation that the responses by the court indicated there was no evidence mentioned in the pleadings. I am not a lawyer, so I can't judge that comment, and I will defer to your claim that no evidence was presented.
However, a great deal of troubling evidence has been presented to state legislatures. Some information has been posted online. I have been frustrated and mystified by the lack of follow-up in the press and among the various legal types supposedly on the trail of the problem.
Ultimately I feel that the evidence I can see demands that people who can do so pursue the problem. Many of us thought the Congress would pursue the problem. Many of us thought a commission and 10 days to examine the evidence in six states would provide a foundation for a vote count in which we could believe. That is the truth I was looking for, and that is the truth most of my conversation partners were looking for.
As things stand now, I still believe that investigation should happen. I believe every state in the union should be looking at their processes with a view to being ready for total transparency in their processes going forward. It hurts to see Congress simply cave, because it is pretty clear that a lot of fraudulent votes led this outcome. I will not march or burn anything down, but I will always harbor resentment toward every person who turned his/her back on reports of questionable votes. My vote only matters if every vote comes from a real person who is both alive and eligible to vote. Otherwise, it is all a joke, and the best trickster wins. Guess what. Every tyrant has a PHD in vote fraud.
And if it were "pretty clear" that fraudulent votes led to this outcome, Messrs. Trump and Giuliani would not be 0 for each and every time in establishing that in court.
Why was that "troubling evidence" presented to state legislatures but not in court, when the courts have always been the place where election challenges are resolved? I do not claim that no evidence was presented, going only on what I have read. I only suggest that if evidence was never considered, the failure to plead the existence of potentially outcome-changing irregularities could be the reason why.
If one judge after another - Democrats, Republicans and Trump appointees alike - and then one appellate court after another - state, federal and even the Supreme Court - found no merit in challenges to the election, why is that not sufficient? I have actually participated in legislative hearings. There is no cross-examination of witnesses, authentication of evidence or anything else that would ensure a fair process.
More importantly, legislative bodies are undoubtedly partisan. Looking at precisely the same information, every Democrat in Congress voted to remove Trump from office and every Republican but one, to acquit. Stated another way, tell me the legislative body examining the matter and I will tell you what what the outcome will be. That is why we have these things called courts, which are designed to be as fair, impartial and well suited to the determination of truth as possible.
I misspoke here. Both sides get to question witnesses in legislative hearings, but the process lacks a great many safeguards that help ensure proper and fully informed questioning. Most notably, trials feature a process called "discovery," whereby each side gets to see what the other side has, in advance.
As Donna first indicated, most people don't understand how the process works. First, the burden of proof is on those who bring a challenge; meaning that no one has to prove there was no problem. Rather, those who would challenge the election must prove that there was.
Even then, a further and very important point is that being able to prove the existence of a problem is not enough. One must first plead, and then also prove, that the problem changed the election outcome. A lawyer signing off on a pleading later shown to have clearly lacked any basis can get in big trouble for doing so. Hence, I expect that where evidence was not actually heard by the court, it is because the lawyers never claimed (pled) that they had evidence that could have changed the result. In this event, a legal challenge would never even get to the evidentiary stage, where a problem might actually be proven.
This is one aspect of the scam that has been run on people who do not understand the process. When Trump's people claim that some court never even looked at the evidence, that could be entirely true. What they leave out is the reason why; which seems always to have been that they failed to sufficiently plead a claim entitling the President to any relief.
That is, lacking enough evidence of fraud that it could have changed the outcome, they never even pled fraud. Then they turned around and told people like you that the courts refused to consider the evidence, which was technically true, but for the reasons just stated, grossly misleading. The courts never considered the evidence because Trump's lawyers fell so short of having enough evidence of fraud to change the outcome, they never pled a case that would allow them to present any of it.
Exactly! Thank you for articulating it so clearly.
My Trump as Nero comment yesterday seems to be even more accurate today. He has gone over the edge. It's a shame because he presided over some good things, particularly regarding Israel. None of that will ever matter. And I don't think the US will recover any time soon. Come Lord Jesus. Deliver us from the evil set loose.
All Trump supporters. Why dismiss the pictures of the BLM protesters dressed up as Trump supporters? It's not hard to identify them by their unique tattoos. It's also not hard to think that anarchists would infiltrate an open protest. They have done that all summer.
When the idiots who stormed the Capitol are identified (as many of them will be, given all the video taken of the event), confirming that they are Trump supporters - just as their actions would seem to indicate - I hope that you will reconsider all the other conspiracy theory nonsense that you probably believe.
I don't believe any conspiracy theories but I do have questions. You seem to not question much. If you look at this situation without bias you may understand there are more layers than what you see on the surface.
Have you ever worked as an election judge? I take that position very seriously, so seriously that after the November 3 election, my Democrat alternate judge emailed that now he understood why I am so attentive to detail.
I tend not to simply believe anybody. I get my information from both mainstream and conservative media . . . and then I think for myself.
As I evaluate the notion that yesterday's anarchy was the work of leftists, I mainly consider the numbers. It would take a lot of agent provocateurs - and some extraordinarily skilled ones - to lead that number of people into acting as they did.
As I said, however, lots of these knuckleheads will be identified. Moreover, given people's propensity these days for posting incriminating video or photographic material on their social media pages, we should be able to determine whether very many were affiliated with Antifa. So we may soon see which of us is right.
As for BLM, however, I can pretty much assure you that its black adherents (which I expect would constitute a heavy majority) steered clear. For obvious reasons, they would have been pretty easy to spot.
I would confess to one aspect of bias: I believe most things to be EXACTLY what they seem to be.
Not a Trump supporter, but you are right. Not that it excuses anything that anyone has done but it isn't hard to imagine that Antifa and BLM, who have openly vowed 'to burn the system down' would infiltrate and agitate. That said, the protestors are now on worldwide 'blast' and will be easily located. I guess we'll see.
Snopes just reported that the Antifa rumor that is circulating on social media originated with a QAnon activist.
I saw that early this morning, Donna. If you saw the lunatic wearing the fur hat with horns and no shirt... that's Jake Angeli - the Q-Anon Shaman. *sigh*
Jake is a known agitator. You'd think after the pizza-gate debacle people would have stopped giving Q-anon attention.
This is why folks (me included) need to check and recheck their information.
A sitting Republican judge told me that if I tell people that I investigate both sides of an issue, I will be called names. Too late. I already have been called names that would put Bill Maher to shame.
In case you have not heard, 3 Republican governors have said that Trump needs to be removed from office. The number of people in the Trump administration who have resigned keeps growing.
Are any of you represented by a a Congressman and/or Senator who leveled objections to any state's Electoral College count yesterday?
Before the insurrection, Guiliani (sp?) spoke to the crowd about using combat. After the riot, Trump called it a great day. Trump did not call out the Guard; Pence did. The names of those who have so far been identified as participants in the storming of the Capital are Proud Boys.
I am disappointed in you now. I completely agree that mobs are not the sort of free expression I support and admire. I am sad to see this behavior.
But "shoot the protestors"? Are you serious? They haven't shot anyone. They haven't burned anything. They mostly seem like the fans on the losing side of the championship game.
I feel the same way they do. I know the votes that made Biden president were created out of thin air. Plenty of dead people and non-existent people voted. I don't feel that my outrage should ever be expressed in viiolence, but the people in the capitol are hardly violent. They are mostly just terribly upset and outraged that nobody will look at the evidence.
I have prayed for truth to be found. If the evidence were examined, and all the real votes added up to a win for Biden, then I would be quiet. Disappointed, but quiet. That isn't what happened. Way too many people who could have acted have simply dismissed the people who want to show evidence of fraud. If there is no fraud, why not look and prove that it isn't there?!?!?!?!
But please. Dont go around saying "Shoot the protestors." I don't even feel that is the right response to people who are setting fires in the street unless they are making attacks on the police.. Is it even possible for you to mean what you said? Think about it!
I don't want people shot either however; I am not sure what 'losing side of the championship game' you are referring to but when hundreds of people storm our nation's capitol, ransack, destroy federal papers, threaten law enforcement, and break into offices that is a federal offense and, personally I hope they feel the full force of the laws they broke come down upon them.
These folks are doing EXACTLY the same thing that BLM and Antifa have done, did anyone claim those riots and acts of violence were acting like 'fans on the losing side of the championship game' and rightly so.
Folks that believe that the election was fixed are being played by photoshopped and edited footage of voting polls. The President has not offered anything substantial in the way of hard evidence of mass voting fraud, and he won't because he can't. He knows that a good conspiracy is only viable when there is ambiguous claims made, unsubstantiated rumors and rigged videos. There is nothing that will convince those 'true believers' that the election/voting wasn't 'rigged', just like there are people that swear that the moon landing was faked, that the white patriarchy is the root of all evil and that our system must be burnt down.
The real zinger is these idiots stormed the Captiol which is covered in surveillance and their faces are now being broadcast across the world as they vandalize and threaten Federal property and employees. Not a bright bulb in the lot.
How were they able to do all of that?
Excellent question. I'd love to know how they were able to gain ground on Federal property without being stopped by any authorities. The best I've been able to gleam from the info available is that they actually 'pushed' through and because of their numbers made headway. It was Mike Pence that finally called in the military. Apparently, Trump did not.
How were they able to do all of that?
I am disappointed in you now. I completely agree that mobs are not the sort of free expression I support and admire. I am sad to see this behavior.
But "shoot the protestors"? Are you serious? They haven't shot anyone. They haven't burned anything. They mostly seem like the fans on the losing side of the championship game.
I feel the same way they do. I know the votes that made Biden president were created out of thin air. Plenty of dead people and non-existent people voted. I don't feel that my outrage should ever be expressed in viiolence, but the people in the capitol are hardly violent. They are mostly just terribly upset and outraged that nobody will look at the evidence.
I have prayed for truth to be found. If the evidence were examined, and all the real votes added up to a win for Biden, then I would be quiet. Disappointed, but quiet. That isn't what happened. Way too many people who could have acted have simply dismissed the people who want to show evidence of fraud. If there is no fraud, why not look and prove that it isn't there?!?!?!?!
But please. Dont go around saying "Shoot the protestors." I don't even feel that is the right response to people who are setting fires in the street unless they are making attacks on the police.. Is it even possible for you to mean what you said? Think about it!
The seeds for this were sown with “The Resistance” marching in DC when Trump was elected, with the “protests” at the Kavanaugh hearings, with the rioting and violence that went unpunished all year long, with 4 years of anti-Trump protests, the “occupation” in CHAZ and Portland, the closing of houses of worship during the past year, the cancel culture and violence against Trump supporters, but...I thought “our side” was smarter than that. They had to know this would accomplish nothing...at least nothing that they wanted it to accomplish.
To a degree this is the fault of the Democrats who disrespected Trump for 4 years, followed by the media, to such a degree that many people never had a chance to know the good he did. Trump is a narcissist who is enraged at this point. But there are many in the House with the same personality flaw, but not pushed to their limits as was Trump. As the Congress demands the police protection they soon hope to defund and the National Guard they also disrespect, we witness their fear, a fear recently shared as our nations store owners begged for police and Guard protection as they witnessed their businesses destroyed by ANTIFA. But the Democrats turned their backs on them. I hate Trump is going out in such a despicable manner IF the people doing this are Trump supporters and not plants. It is wrong!
I believe that we can find lots of people that share responsibility for this, hopefully, final debacle. I do remember when Trump was campaigning how he spoke with supreme disrespect about the Senators that were serving at that time. He called names, accused people of being everything from a Hitler supporter to 'horse-faced'. He spoke about government as if he had a clue - having never served in any public service before.
If there is to be a 'starting point' for any of this mess, I believe he is it.
I believe in karma, or if you prefer, reaping what you sow. Trump sowed some very sour seeds