This doesn't happen often, Erick, but we're in 100% agreement.
If conservatives are serious about the federalism, the 10th Amendment and the rule of law such as Posse Comitatus, then Trump should not be sending federal law enforcement or military or National Guard unless requested by the governor.
Mayor Wheeler is up for reelection this November, and the people will soon decide if they're okay with his leadership or want a change.
Erick’s logic here—with which I agree, by the way—remind me of Justice Roberts comments in the Sebelius case that upheld ACA in 2012(?). Basically, if the people don’t like their situation, the people need to change their elected representatives.
If the Fed does not go into the area, because they do not have permission. I would think the state or city should be responsible for damage done to the Federal Property. What about private property? Money always talks. Hit these governments where it hurts.
Let it burn. They blame Trump for everything bad anyway, and the further he is away from it the better. We need to show the direct relationship of what's happening now to a failed "progressive" leadership in all of the effected cities.
I agree with you on this one Erick. People have to live with the consequences of their decisions whether bad or good. My understanding is that the mayor if overwhelmed by violence they call the governor of the state and that person can send in help. But what happens if the state cannot handle their own people and violence breaks out all over? It that area declared a war zone? Can the governor ask the feds for help them? Would love and answer for this.
In general local police are responsible for policing their areas. However, I don't believe this applies to federal buildings or federal property. For example, if you try to enter a federal court house and behave in ways the federal guards deem unacceptable, I believe federal officers will arrest you without blinking. I just heard that last night the Portland rioters continued to damage a federal building removing plywood that was put up to protect it, breaking glass to enter it illegally and starting fires inside. That is certainly a federal crime and it should be prosecuted by federal law enforcement officials. If the Democratic politicians want to allow rioters destroy their own cities, I agree Trump should stay out of it, unless governors request the national guard be sent in. But even if protecting federal property is not the right thing to do politically, it is the right thing to do by the rule of law, and that is what principled conservatives and moral citizens are supposed to support, regardless of how much they dislike Trump.
This doesn't happen often, Erick, but we're in 100% agreement.
If conservatives are serious about the federalism, the 10th Amendment and the rule of law such as Posse Comitatus, then Trump should not be sending federal law enforcement or military or National Guard unless requested by the governor.
Mayor Wheeler is up for reelection this November, and the people will soon decide if they're okay with his leadership or want a change.
Portland needs to be left alone to deal with whatever happens.
Erick’s logic here—with which I agree, by the way—remind me of Justice Roberts comments in the Sebelius case that upheld ACA in 2012(?). Basically, if the people don’t like their situation, the people need to change their elected representatives.
Amen, Erick.
I agree, this is a local issue...if that's what Portland wants, let 'em be.
If the Fed does not go into the area, because they do not have permission. I would think the state or city should be responsible for damage done to the Federal Property. What about private property? Money always talks. Hit these governments where it hurts.
Let it burn. They blame Trump for everything bad anyway, and the further he is away from it the better. We need to show the direct relationship of what's happening now to a failed "progressive" leadership in all of the effected cities.
Would President Abraham Lincoln have allowed Fort Sumter to burn without a fight? Certainly not.
Sometimes the greatest judgment is to receive what we want to have.....
It would just be nice to have republicans actually believe in local control, like they are supposed to.
Let it burn and give the devil his due.
I agree with you on this one Erick. People have to live with the consequences of their decisions whether bad or good. My understanding is that the mayor if overwhelmed by violence they call the governor of the state and that person can send in help. But what happens if the state cannot handle their own people and violence breaks out all over? It that area declared a war zone? Can the governor ask the feds for help them? Would love and answer for this.
You stated the Fed can protect its properties and Laws. Question: what laws? Are the rioters breaking any Federal laws, just destroying Fed property?
In general local police are responsible for policing their areas. However, I don't believe this applies to federal buildings or federal property. For example, if you try to enter a federal court house and behave in ways the federal guards deem unacceptable, I believe federal officers will arrest you without blinking. I just heard that last night the Portland rioters continued to damage a federal building removing plywood that was put up to protect it, breaking glass to enter it illegally and starting fires inside. That is certainly a federal crime and it should be prosecuted by federal law enforcement officials. If the Democratic politicians want to allow rioters destroy their own cities, I agree Trump should stay out of it, unless governors request the national guard be sent in. But even if protecting federal property is not the right thing to do politically, it is the right thing to do by the rule of law, and that is what principled conservatives and moral citizens are supposed to support, regardless of how much they dislike Trump.
Your perspective identifies you as a consistent Constitutionalist. Too bad there aren’t that many “conservatives” saying this out loud.