In light of the fact that you sent me yet another Fox News article after I pointed out their insertion of American pro-life photographs in an article pertaining to something that happened in England, thereby misleading you into thinking that someone in this country got arrested for praying, it would seem that I was wasting my time much earlier than my last post.
If I somehow offended you - though I cannot imagine how - please accept my apology. Otherwise, might I suggest that if you cannot stand having your opinions refuted, then don't post them.
Erick says “we need to stop this..” ok what exactly can we do?
I am not a rep in the house. So I can’t vote on Kevin’s speakership.
So what exactly are we meant to do even if we agree that KM is not the best choice?
We the people haven’t had power to control the speakers office or any other committee office at the congress. All we can do is sit complain and watch nothing happen.
Thanks for your response. I'm more with Bacon on this than you are - I could envision a caretaker like Leon Panetta working with Republican committee chairmen if McCarthy is blocked for 100 votes, but I'd much prefer a competent Republican not tainted with Trump. I wish the problem solvers caucus would throw their weight around like the yahoo caucus does.
I vote for germ limits. These career politicians like McCarthy are bugs that infect the political machine and make it dysfunctional. Time to apply some bleach.
Erick, can you name one Republican that said they would put a Dem in the speaker's chair? I don't want to think you're making things up. I follow politics pretty closely, and I'm completely unaware of anyone saying anything like that. I've heard of folks talking about joining Dems to support people like Fred Upton or Tom Cole, even someone like Will Hurd or another outsider, but no Democrat. Please let me know who said that.
No such thing as a moderate democrat. “Compromise” in dem language is “my way or the highway”.
Here’s my word on “moderates” do we really need them? The dems are not moderate and have no interest in compromising. So a conservative who “works with” the dems is basically someone who caves to the liberals demands without any give on their side.
Liberals across the spectrum are heck bent on destroying America and would, if given the power, round up every straight white Christian and out them in reeducation camps. They would also love to close down and burn every church.
How do you compromise with that?
I believe we should not have Kevin M. But electing someone that’s going to cave to the dems isn’t the answer either.
This saddens me so. Whether liberals are bent on destroying America is a matter of opinion, but the notion that we would "round up every straight white Christian and out them in reeducation camps" suggests that you don't know who your neighbors are.
If you ever served, we were the troopers in the next bunk. We are the co-workers that you joke around with, and the police officers and firemen who come to your aid in an emergency. "Close down and burn every church?" In many cases, we are the pastors of those churches. In sum, we are your fellow Americans. If you don't have any friends who are Democrats, it is either because you do and simply don't know it, or because you are somehow so insulated that it is almost as if you do not live in America.
I live in a "red" state. I interact with wonderful people every single day, finding myself perplexed that they could ever vote for someone like Donald Trump. The way in which I reconcile the two things is this:
They're not bad people. We simply disagree.
If you live somewhere where you seldom encounter Democrats, let me suggest this. Vacation in a blue state: someplace like Connecticut or better yet, California (the weather is better). Interact with the people you find there - most of whom vote Democrats - on things other than politics, then ask yourself whether those people want to send you to a reeducation camp and burn down your church.
Finally as concerns Democrats compromising, Democrats recently signed off on a Defense Authorization Bill in which they compromised on, among other things, Covid vaccinations for servicemembers:
If you ever served, then you remember taking a slew of vaccinations - literally on Day One - and that nobody ever asked your opinion on the matter. The notion that one trooper should be allowed to infect a whole unit with Covid or anything else, thereby undermining immediate readiness, strikes me as utter insanity, but Democrats accepted it as a necessary compromise.
Case in point. May I offer exhibit A of 1000 examples of why I said if Theo real had their way they would lock up every Christian and close very non liberal church. Scared yet? You should be.
Many years ago (during the so called "war on terror") there was a poll finding that Fox News viewers were actually less informed about Islamic extremism than people who don't much follow the news at all; the reason being that Fox presented the news in ways that did not actually say, but implied things that clearly weren't true.
Here, you have pictures pertaining to the American abortion debate sprinkled throughout a story about something that happened in England. And sure enough, but for me setting the record straight, you would be out there swearing up and down that there was a woman arrested in this country for praying.
My guess is that the same explanation applies to your assertion that someone tried to burn down several pro life institutions that were inside churches. After all, at least historically, burning down (black) churches is more of a conservative thing.
I said liberals not Americans. I also said liberal politicians not everyday people.
And before you talk about that this is not true or won’t happen.
I only need to look as far as 2020. Churches shut down and in many places in the world including america people were arrested, charged, and out into concentration camps for long periods of time. It thankfully did not get to that point which you can thank patriotism for.
What your describing is a dem voter. Or a moderate independent. The dem voter votes on emotion, feelings. Which candidate can smile the best and talk the best. Instead of realizing what they believe in.
and I’m not speaking of those people when I talk about liberals. I’m talking about the liberal leaders. The liberal groups like antifa and BLM.
I don’t have to talk like it’s fantasy. It’s happening. They tried to burn down several pro life institutions many that were inside churches.
I’m not talking about the fake liberal churches that are out there either. There are plenty of liberal pastors preaching at liberal churches that not only allow the alphabet group they encourage them. That not only are in favor of abortion, they will pay to let you have one. The Bible warned of such churches and to avoid them.
Don’t be fooled.
Your buying into the counter argument that people that talk of this are Qanon crazies and not only am I not that. I tail against Qanon. But since you brought it up. Funny thing about them is that they are 4 for 4 on conspiracy theories that have turned into fact.
And please understand that I also break bread with my liberal neighbors. I have family that are. I don’t talk politics with them. While I enjoy their company I wouldn’t vote for them in office either. Big difference between getting along and letting them set policy on my future or my children’s future.
So reviewing.
Churches have burned.
People have been incarcerated for their beliefs. Mostly straight white Christian men. I dont have to defend what could happen it’s happening.
I don’t mince words. Jesus told it how it was. He said the temple would fall and it did. At the time such talk seemed crazy but then it came true. And Christian’s in Rome we’re persecuted. We don’t live in those times but we are still persecuted in different ways.
I’m not saying fight back violently. I’m saying we need not negotiate with these people who won’t compromise their views. Why should we. Stick to our values it’s the best way.
Let me begin with some factual corrections. First of all, liberals ARE Americans - even liberal politicians.
And if you're talking about "liberal leaders," you're not talking about either BLM or Antifa, neither of which represents more than a teeny weeny fraction of either liberals or Democrats. By way of illustration, funny thing about we radical Dems: among all the candidates for the presidential nomination, we chose perhaps the most moderate (Biden) to be our candidate. Go figure.
One of the biggest current indicators of political affiliation is possession of a college degree. I don't think it's the people WITH the college degrees who vote based on their emotions.
I know of no biblical passage warning against churches that favor abortion. In fact (and you could really do me a big favor here, because it's been bothering me for some time), I know of no reference to abortion anywhere in the Bible. Lot of stuff about forgiveness, loving even one's (political) enemies and leaving the judging of other people to God. From reading your post, dripping with the judging and rejection of your fellow Americans, I can only surmise that you're reading a different Bible than me. But I digress.
Seriously, give me the biblical passage making mention of abortion. Just one.
And you keep saying Democrats (or their leaders) won't compromise. Did you not read my post? Let me repeat: they just compromised on the Defense Authorization Bill.
Finally, please enlighten me on Qanon. If they're "4 for 4," that means they've never been wrong. (Somehow I missed the public execution of Democratic pedophiles.) So why do you rail against them? C'mon you rascal, fess up. I mean, to say "they are 4 for 4" isn't exactly railing against them. Where you go one, do they go all?
“We chose the most moderate candidate….” That is laughable.
When arguing with a fool, be sure they are not doing the same. I therefore am not going to get drawn into a fools argument when they state such outlandish nonsense.
Your as bad as my sister in law who thinks that if my daughter gets pregnant in high school she should have an abortion so she could go to college. Yes she really said that with a straight face, and she is a liberal.
Unfortunately you think what you think. Just like the Roman’s thought they were right as their empire crumbled around them.
In light of the fact that you sent me yet another Fox News article after I pointed out their insertion of American pro-life photographs in an article pertaining to something that happened in England, thereby misleading you into thinking that someone in this country got arrested for praying, it would seem that I was wasting my time much earlier than my last post.
If I somehow offended you - though I cannot imagine how - please accept my apology. Otherwise, might I suggest that if you cannot stand having your opinions refuted, then don't post them.
Here’s an honest and serious question.
Erick says “we need to stop this..” ok what exactly can we do?
I am not a rep in the house. So I can’t vote on Kevin’s speakership.
So what exactly are we meant to do even if we agree that KM is not the best choice?
We the people haven’t had power to control the speakers office or any other committee office at the congress. All we can do is sit complain and watch nothing happen.
Nothing is. Worse than a lifetime politician they have never signed a pay check on the front and are willing to give somebody the shirt off your back
Thanks for your response. I'm more with Bacon on this than you are - I could envision a caretaker like Leon Panetta working with Republican committee chairmen if McCarthy is blocked for 100 votes, but I'd much prefer a competent Republican not tainted with Trump. I wish the problem solvers caucus would throw their weight around like the yahoo caucus does.
But they won't listen and we will have a repeat. And republicans wonder why they never get anywhere.
I vote for germ limits. These career politicians like McCarthy are bugs that infect the political machine and make it dysfunctional. Time to apply some bleach.
Bring on term limits. I’m tired of professional politicians who care for themselves and not me.
Erick, can you name one Republican that said they would put a Dem in the speaker's chair? I don't want to think you're making things up. I follow politics pretty closely, and I'm completely unaware of anyone saying anything like that. I've heard of folks talking about joining Dems to support people like Fred Upton or Tom Cole, even someone like Will Hurd or another outsider, but no Democrat. Please let me know who said that.
https://omaha.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/bacon-would-work-with-dems-to-elect-moderate-house-speaker-if-gops-mccarthy-falls-short/article_ecfa7c66-6491-11ed-9123-5393236e49c4.html "Bacon said he would be willing to work with Democrats to elect a moderate Republican or an "agreeable" candidate to avoid chaos in the House." Note the 'agreeable' candidate part. Also here: https://www.kilgorenewsherald.com/bacon-would-work-with-dems-to-elect-moderate-house-speaker-if-gops-mccarthy-falls-short/article_71027359-1b66-538a-b15a-41c67b2ab432.html (BTW, I really like Don Bacon, but I disagree with him on this)
No such thing as a moderate democrat. “Compromise” in dem language is “my way or the highway”.
Here’s my word on “moderates” do we really need them? The dems are not moderate and have no interest in compromising. So a conservative who “works with” the dems is basically someone who caves to the liberals demands without any give on their side.
Liberals across the spectrum are heck bent on destroying America and would, if given the power, round up every straight white Christian and out them in reeducation camps. They would also love to close down and burn every church.
How do you compromise with that?
I believe we should not have Kevin M. But electing someone that’s going to cave to the dems isn’t the answer either.
This saddens me so. Whether liberals are bent on destroying America is a matter of opinion, but the notion that we would "round up every straight white Christian and out them in reeducation camps" suggests that you don't know who your neighbors are.
If you ever served, we were the troopers in the next bunk. We are the co-workers that you joke around with, and the police officers and firemen who come to your aid in an emergency. "Close down and burn every church?" In many cases, we are the pastors of those churches. In sum, we are your fellow Americans. If you don't have any friends who are Democrats, it is either because you do and simply don't know it, or because you are somehow so insulated that it is almost as if you do not live in America.
I live in a "red" state. I interact with wonderful people every single day, finding myself perplexed that they could ever vote for someone like Donald Trump. The way in which I reconcile the two things is this:
They're not bad people. We simply disagree.
If you live somewhere where you seldom encounter Democrats, let me suggest this. Vacation in a blue state: someplace like Connecticut or better yet, California (the weather is better). Interact with the people you find there - most of whom vote Democrats - on things other than politics, then ask yourself whether those people want to send you to a reeducation camp and burn down your church.
Finally as concerns Democrats compromising, Democrats recently signed off on a Defense Authorization Bill in which they compromised on, among other things, Covid vaccinations for servicemembers:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/defense-bill-not-perfect-but-should-result-in-stronger-more-effective-us-military
If you ever served, then you remember taking a slew of vaccinations - literally on Day One - and that nobody ever asked your opinion on the matter. The notion that one trooper should be allowed to infect a whole unit with Covid or anything else, thereby undermining immediate readiness, strikes me as utter insanity, but Democrats accepted it as a necessary compromise.
Case in point. May I offer exhibit A of 1000 examples of why I said if Theo real had their way they would lock up every Christian and close very non liberal church. Scared yet? You should be.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/pro-life-activist-arrested-praying-silently-near-abortion-facility
Not scared at all.
That happened in England.
Many years ago (during the so called "war on terror") there was a poll finding that Fox News viewers were actually less informed about Islamic extremism than people who don't much follow the news at all; the reason being that Fox presented the news in ways that did not actually say, but implied things that clearly weren't true.
Here, you have pictures pertaining to the American abortion debate sprinkled throughout a story about something that happened in England. And sure enough, but for me setting the record straight, you would be out there swearing up and down that there was a woman arrested in this country for praying.
My guess is that the same explanation applies to your assertion that someone tried to burn down several pro life institutions that were inside churches. After all, at least historically, burning down (black) churches is more of a conservative thing.
I said liberals not Americans. I also said liberal politicians not everyday people.
And before you talk about that this is not true or won’t happen.
I only need to look as far as 2020. Churches shut down and in many places in the world including america people were arrested, charged, and out into concentration camps for long periods of time. It thankfully did not get to that point which you can thank patriotism for.
What your describing is a dem voter. Or a moderate independent. The dem voter votes on emotion, feelings. Which candidate can smile the best and talk the best. Instead of realizing what they believe in.
and I’m not speaking of those people when I talk about liberals. I’m talking about the liberal leaders. The liberal groups like antifa and BLM.
I don’t have to talk like it’s fantasy. It’s happening. They tried to burn down several pro life institutions many that were inside churches.
I’m not talking about the fake liberal churches that are out there either. There are plenty of liberal pastors preaching at liberal churches that not only allow the alphabet group they encourage them. That not only are in favor of abortion, they will pay to let you have one. The Bible warned of such churches and to avoid them.
Don’t be fooled.
Your buying into the counter argument that people that talk of this are Qanon crazies and not only am I not that. I tail against Qanon. But since you brought it up. Funny thing about them is that they are 4 for 4 on conspiracy theories that have turned into fact.
And please understand that I also break bread with my liberal neighbors. I have family that are. I don’t talk politics with them. While I enjoy their company I wouldn’t vote for them in office either. Big difference between getting along and letting them set policy on my future or my children’s future.
So reviewing.
Churches have burned.
People have been incarcerated for their beliefs. Mostly straight white Christian men. I dont have to defend what could happen it’s happening.
I don’t mince words. Jesus told it how it was. He said the temple would fall and it did. At the time such talk seemed crazy but then it came true. And Christian’s in Rome we’re persecuted. We don’t live in those times but we are still persecuted in different ways.
I’m not saying fight back violently. I’m saying we need not negotiate with these people who won’t compromise their views. Why should we. Stick to our values it’s the best way.
Let me begin with some factual corrections. First of all, liberals ARE Americans - even liberal politicians.
And if you're talking about "liberal leaders," you're not talking about either BLM or Antifa, neither of which represents more than a teeny weeny fraction of either liberals or Democrats. By way of illustration, funny thing about we radical Dems: among all the candidates for the presidential nomination, we chose perhaps the most moderate (Biden) to be our candidate. Go figure.
One of the biggest current indicators of political affiliation is possession of a college degree. I don't think it's the people WITH the college degrees who vote based on their emotions.
I know of no biblical passage warning against churches that favor abortion. In fact (and you could really do me a big favor here, because it's been bothering me for some time), I know of no reference to abortion anywhere in the Bible. Lot of stuff about forgiveness, loving even one's (political) enemies and leaving the judging of other people to God. From reading your post, dripping with the judging and rejection of your fellow Americans, I can only surmise that you're reading a different Bible than me. But I digress.
Seriously, give me the biblical passage making mention of abortion. Just one.
And you keep saying Democrats (or their leaders) won't compromise. Did you not read my post? Let me repeat: they just compromised on the Defense Authorization Bill.
Finally, please enlighten me on Qanon. If they're "4 for 4," that means they've never been wrong. (Somehow I missed the public execution of Democratic pedophiles.) So why do you rail against them? C'mon you rascal, fess up. I mean, to say "they are 4 for 4" isn't exactly railing against them. Where you go one, do they go all?
You waisted your typing. I didn’t read it. As I said I’m done. Not responding. Goodbye. Thread muted.
“We chose the most moderate candidate….” That is laughable.
When arguing with a fool, be sure they are not doing the same. I therefore am not going to get drawn into a fools argument when they state such outlandish nonsense.
Your as bad as my sister in law who thinks that if my daughter gets pregnant in high school she should have an abortion so she could go to college. Yes she really said that with a straight face, and she is a liberal.
Unfortunately you think what you think. Just like the Roman’s thought they were right as their empire crumbled around them.
Well said!
Lord, free us from the political opportunist. Give us those who stand for truth.
Libertas perfundet omnia luce!