Discussion about this post

User's avatar
dmk's avatar

I agree it is wrong to reject lawfully cast votes. However, it is not clear all the votes were cast and counted legally, as pretty much everybody knows voting by mail when not properly controlled is subject to fraud. For example, there have been multiple examples of multiple ballots sent to the wrong address and there is no way of proving or disproving that such ballots were not illegally voted. What is provable is that this election had far more votes cast than even a high-turnout election. For example, the latest NY Times vote totals are Biden 72.0 M-votes and Trump 68.4 M-votes, with Trump having about 8 M-votes more than Obama in 2012 60.9 M-votes and nearly as many as Obama in 2008 69.5 M-votes. I believe the 68.4 M-votes Trump has already received far exceed the number of votes any Republican may have ever received. So your assertion that voters rejected the messenger (Trump) doesn't have a lot of merit, particularly in battleground states with margins less than 1% and Trump receiving record numbers of votes.

If you follow Kimberly Strassel (of WSJ) tweet sequence ( https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1324207542151475201 ) she outlines what the Republican's are officially requesting is: 1. Counting votes that arrived before election day or according to state law (some regulations for counting were put in at the last minute without legislative approval - which violates state law). 2. Better access for GOP observers to the vote counting.  3. Challenging vote counting that violate state laws for deadlines. None of that, including requesting a recount in WI is against the law.

Your assumption is that the messenger can be separated from the message, which in the case of Trump's policies is very questionable.  One reason Trump got 68.4 M-votes is he has kept his political promises both to conservatives and to minority communities. When Trump put his first tariffs on China I can recall you posting something like, "this is the start of the Trump recession," which was obviously a bad assumption on your part (not unlike your assumption that averaging inaccurate polls is going to produce an accurate result). It was Trump's willingness to keep his promises, despite the opposition of Republicans like yourself that made life better for blacks, Hispanics, Jews, union workers, etc. that got him a record number of votes. There is no Republican in America who has anything like Trump's tweet stream with 88 M-followers who is able to control the message that reaches the public through a very biased media.

Perhaps, Christians who objected to Trump's sexual immorality from over a decade ago can take joy in having the party supported by the Hollywood crowd control the moral standards of our government through a Biden administration. Perhaps, you can take personal joy in having Trump's defeat avenge the unjust harm inflicted on your family by Trump supporters he probably had never met. As for me, I feel bad for the 57 million people who attended Trump's rally in Butler PA that was about 25 miles from my house. They have probably lost a powerful advocate, who because of his dominant personality will be very hard to replace. I have "Victory in Jesus. My Savior Forever." But the lives of many people in America will arguably take a turn for the worse if Biden becomes President. That is not something for me to rejoice.

Expand full comment
Rick Williamson's avatar

Erick,

The evidence looks pretty damning. Over 100,000 ballots appear overnight and not ONE is for Trump? The Dems are so focused on veating Trump that - in their single'-mindedness they very well could just mark a ballot for Biden and leave the rest blank.

As for message v. messenger, that's the point. Is it even possible to separare the two?

No Republican in the last 40 years (and maybe not even Reagan) has voiced the message Trump did. IIs there anyone on yiur 2024 bench who will pick up that banner and run with it?

I don't know... but I don't think so.

Expand full comment
31 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?