I keep seeing circulating among well-meaning people a theory that because of the overwhelming voter fraud in the election, the Supreme Court is going to take up the case, throw out the election due to overwhelming voter irregularities, send it to the United States House of Representatives, and they will re-elect Donald Trump.
Y’all sound like the Democrats in 18. LOL! What did y’all tell them at the time? This is too funny. It’s not as fun when the rabbit has the gun now is it? Take your L and get em next time!
Those old white, privileged caste of GOP politicos and their "stand by" rabble--as they are preparing to spend vast amounts of money and rage to run Joe Biden out of town--they are just digging themselves deeper into a hole of self-destructive vengeance, in full view of the American people. The root of bitterness will defile many.
Why don't we let the court decide if this is important? Since the percentage of the American people who think there is major fraud in vote counting keeps rising, it's an issue that needs to be addressed. (https://www.npr.org/2018/09/17/647421039/npr-marist-poll-40-percent-of-americans-think-elections-arent-fair) Even if a change in who is elected isn't the outcome, a tightening of rules on how votes are gathered and counted is important (maybe even essential) to the continuance of our political system. If a presidential election isn't important enough to deal with the problems, when else will this be dealt with seriously?
In one state they are alleging that dead people voted. If the person died after casting the ballot, the ballot still counts. If someone voted using the identification of a dead person, Trump would have to prove that the dead voter voted against him. Wihthout names on ballots, - mail-in ballots have the signatures on the envelop, not on the ballot - that is impossible to prove.
Good article Erick, but leaving out some important issues. The relative huge lead in MI will only flip if massive fraud is proven (like Computer glitches) and/or clear violations of state law in counting/changing ballots that led to counting illegal ballots.. But other states have far lower victory margins for Biden than MI:148K which Trump does not need to win: e.g. WI: 20,539; PA:45,367; GA 12,338; AZ: 14,776; NV: 36,136. PA's lead is the largest of those states, but it is unclear how many ballots were counted that were received after election day, or at least I have not seen reported what number that is. I don't think there is a question of thousands of potentially fraudulent ballots in all those states, with number of thousands of dead voters and/or out-of-state voters being reported.. The question is how many thousands and whether Trump's lawyers found them. It is certainly a daunting task, but unless one has access to what Trump's lawyers know, one can only guess at how much provable fraud they found. It is irresponsible for anybody to say that no provable fraud exists or that more than the required amounts of provable fraud exists to flip elections (which unfortunately many people have insisted). If Trump can even flip one state by provable fraud and/or recount errors, it would be a major victory for the GOP, as the media and Dem's would never be able to exist that voter fraud is meaningless.
The suburbs of Philly defeated Trump even more than did the city. There are various theories as to why this is. Probably Trump and Republicans should have dared to campaign more in what is/was considered hostile territory. As I go down Lancaster Avenue in Philly (which one visitor called a "war zone"), I see a building with the big letters "E I B." That makes me think of Rush Limbaugh and what impact his dong a few shows from West Philly might have had.
Excuse me if I'm wrong but from a statistical standpoint, there are 2 data points that concern me:
1. Trump carried the largest percentage of minority vote for a republican in 60 years.
2. Biden received less minority votes in every major metropolitan city beside Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia and Atlanta.
Strange, if that's true, those are the largest cities in 4 states where the voting is in question!
Sorry, Erick, these abnormalities look too fishy.
My thinking is that there is not enough to prevent the inevitable Harris presidency but unless there is some consequence for the fraud in this election that is hailed as normal, then we will have become just inhabitants and no longer citizens in this country.
Correction on point 2: Biden received less minority votes than both Obama '12 and Clinto '16 in all major metropolitan areas beside Milwauke, Detroit, Philadelphia an Atlana.
I'm not opposed to investigating fraud. It should be investigated. But if it is not enough to throw out the election, there's really nothing that's going to be done.
Yes, as I stated above, I don't expect for enough to be found to overturn the presidential election. Still, any fraud needs to be exposed and soon! It's one thing to say we should fight like hell in Georgia to secure our senate seats but if there is fraud in the metro ATL that's substantial enough to flip one election, why not another or two?
Even if Trump is right, I don't think he has the credibility to sell it broadly enough. It looks like sour grapes. But he is encouraging some to never accept that he really lost. I don't think delusion is going to do the GOP any favors.
I just don’t think people really understand what it would do to this country if this election got thrown out. The majority of people voted for him. There is already dislike for Trump.
This is how civil wars start and they would blame Christians. This is dangerous stuff and I don’t think this President is considering the country
I know the President is considering the country. Joe Biden was apart of the most corrupt administration in modern history. He was trying to go after Gen. Michael Flynn over the Logan Act which is a joke, and if it is a serious law Joe Biden is guilty of it now. The ACA was predicated on a lie that has cost Americans thousands more dollars of their hard earned money every year. Health Insurance under the ACA has cost us more money and delivered nothing any better. Since some America’s forget that the Obama Biden administration told us a humungous ACA lie that is why we should fight the election results and root out any and all fraud. The media being one sided is another reason. They so far have won by being cozy with Democrats and delivering biased reporting that we can’t trust. That isn’t what reporters are supposed do and yet too many Americans don’t get it. The ACA may allow more to get coverage but look at who’s expense? The largest majority of Americans get health care through their employer and it would be fine with me to go back to the old insurance system. The small minority of those on the ACA for the most part are the same Americans that can’t hold a job, the police know them on a first name basis, they don’t have any ambition to improve their lives with schooling, and they think they are owed something. For some on the program who get cancer or kidney problems and can’t work I sympathies with them, but that population number can be handled differently rather than costing the rest of us worker bees. For some Americans a $1500 deductible isn’t obtainable and they end up putting off much needed procedures until they can save up the money. So if it tears apart the country apart so be it. I’d rather die on my feet then live on my knees.
In AZ, Biden won by only15,500 votes out of 3.3 million. In WI, he won by 20,500 out of 3.3 million. Biden is leading in GA by 11,600 votes out of over 5 million cast. In this truly unusual election year, with emotional anger in high gear, it would seem that voter fraud could affect these small numbers rationally.
I did some quick and dirty number crunching of the raw county results and all I can come up with is that the votes for Trump early but especially mail-in in Fulton and DeKalb are lower that statistically expected based on Republican voter choices on election day in those counties and all Republican voters in other Georgia Democrat-leaning counties that went for Biden. My benchmark was against votes given to David Perdue. Even if there were issues in Fulton and DeKalb, it would be barely enough - maybe to flip the state but I'm not sure how Trump votes on ballots that went for Perdue could be easily and in that number be removed. The number of Biden votes compared to Ossoff are more consistent such that they do not look to be high - meaning I don't think we had a ballot dump.
Nicely done. It is somewhat difficult for many people who have no "center" to find any balance in their thoughts and lives. The truth is, it is very hard work to exercise balance in our lives and our thoughts. Thank you for making the effort to do so in your analysis!
I think we all have a responsibility as Americans to make this the best place it can be. I think we find ourselves inundated with a constant flow of information to feed our greed or tweak out worst fears. That’s the two largest motivators for humans. The social media algorithms are created by some really smart people to do just that. Turn of our TVs, put down our laptops and leave our phones at home and go have dinner with our neighbors.
So now Biden is elected and we are asked to join forces in unity. What is next? Do you have thoughts on that? Is the Georgia Senatorial race important?
Erick, The same can be said for how hard the US should have fought for the Presidential race, instead of GOP voters actively supporting the opposition candidate. Biden has already announce a number of first-day EO's:
1. Returning US to Paris Climate Accord.
2. Revoking Trump's EO banning critical race theory based training in federal government.
3. Reinstating the subsidized abortion-for-all Mexico city policy.
4. Reinstating the DACA program.
5. Revoking Trump's travel ban on terrorist nations (wrongly referred to as a Muslim ban).
6. Rejoining the WHO and ignoring the corruption China inserted into it.
Expect the Democrats to dump huge money into the GA Senate races that could arguably flip close races like Kemp's 2018 win and the 2020 races. GA is trending blue largely because too many suburban Republicans don't take seriously the dangerous practice of putting insane progressives anywhere near the throne of power.
In a national election with about 15 million excess votes compared to the previous maximum of about 130 M-votes, it is certainly legitimate to consider the possibility that not all of the mail-in-votes counted were made by legal voters. It may be impossible for Trump to prove fraud in the numbers required to flip the election results, but that doesn't mean it isn't a serious issue that needs investigated for the long-term good of our country. When you have ballots loosely controlled for legitimacy (as in the 2020 election) and a major battle for political control, it is a recipe for disaster.
God is always in control, but that doesn't mean he doesn't allow foolish choices to result in foolish results with devastating consequences. For instance, God's will may have permitted Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot to murder millions of their political opponents, but it is illogical to argue that God wanted that to happen. For example, God does want "all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth - 1 Timothy 2:4". But he also permits multitude of people to reject him, despite knowing the severe eternal consequences. Elections are primarily spiritual, but they do have major consequences. Putting Biden/Harris in charge of the Presidency can have major negative consequences that many voters ignored out of hatred for Trump. That is a foolish tragedy.
So mail in ballots perfectly fine in Utah but not for Pennsylvania? It doesn’t work that way.
Trumps margins in Philadelphia are better than four years ago the numbers don’t support widespread fraud.
One could point out it would be a foolish tragedy for folks to blindly support Trump and try to get an election thrown out so an unpopular President can stay in power.
A President whose approval ratings have never been above fifty percent. A President who did not have the popular vote last time. And is clearly behind in the electoral college. That this could destroy our democracy. Trump is disliked and not for unfair reasons. He stokes fires. A Presidents words matter.
You need to understand what it would do if there were four more years of Trump in these circumstances and he stokes fires with his fraud claims:
You might like Biden but the Democrats picked the most moderate of their candidates. Biden was always someone willing to reach across the aisle.
He was the only guy who folks could negotiate with in the Obama administration. I am sorry the Republicans aren’t going to control the White House forever.
I don’t think this President is considering our country. We solve disputed in the ballot box. We have the right to fire our leaders and yes even make bad firing decisions.
Utah is run by conservative Republicans who generally observe the moral values of Mormonism. This is not true for PHL-area Democrats, and there have been multiple convictions for voter fraud in PHL in recent years. Has anybody in Utah ever been convicted of voter fraud or even accused of it? Has anybody in Utah kept observers from witnessing the counting. It didn't take long for Utah to finish its count, but PA is still not fully counted. Why?
There are provable cases of voter fraud in various states. For example, it has been reported that ex-boxing-champ Joe Frazier voted in PHL even though he died in 2011. NV had lots of dead voters and non-residents who may have voted. Trump is entitled to contest elections and request recounts just as Gore did in 2000. We solve election disputes by following election laws, which is all that Trump is requesting (i.e. counting legal ballots and invalidating illegal ballots). Trump's margins were up in urban areas all over the US because his share of the black vote significantly increased. Ironically, the only class of voters Trump seemed to do worse at were white men.
The Democrats had no moderate candidates. Biden is only able to reach across the aisle to moderate Republicans who support the Democratic agenda, otherwise known as RINO's (Republicans In Name Only). His stated policies are more progressive than any previous administration and his VP-choice (Harris) ranks near the top of progressive Senators.
Trump has not called anybody Nazi's or Hitler, which can't be said for his opposition. If words matter, they matter on both sides. You are entitled to your opinion and your vote, just as I am entitled to my opinion and my vote, and just as Trump is entitled to pursue legal challenges to this election. You may not like that, but it is the law and that is what Republicans support. I wish you a nice day despite our differences in opinion.
What does that look like in Georgia and want is our message? If America is not ready for progressive liberalism or even Socialism, should that message ring loud and clear in Georgia. Will the GOP carry this banner? The problem is with this last voting round, many of us are skeptical of a fair run off.
Biden has said he is for All Americans. We should believe him at his word as he is an honest God-loving man. Seems like we should not jump into the same lack of Godly compassion that Trump showed now that Biden has told us he is looking out for all of us. I voted for Trump twice. But now it seems like we should lay down our anger and trust.
Ask SCOTUS Clarence Thomas what type of "honest God loving man" Biden is. What goes around comes around. If Trump has "lack of Godly compassion" why are his numbers among non-whites, significant numbers among blacks and latinos, now at all time high.
Y’all sound like the Democrats in 18. LOL! What did y’all tell them at the time? This is too funny. It’s not as fun when the rabbit has the gun now is it? Take your L and get em next time!
Those old white, privileged caste of GOP politicos and their "stand by" rabble--as they are preparing to spend vast amounts of money and rage to run Joe Biden out of town--they are just digging themselves deeper into a hole of self-destructive vengeance, in full view of the American people. The root of bitterness will defile many.
Why don't we let the court decide if this is important? Since the percentage of the American people who think there is major fraud in vote counting keeps rising, it's an issue that needs to be addressed. (https://www.npr.org/2018/09/17/647421039/npr-marist-poll-40-percent-of-americans-think-elections-arent-fair) Even if a change in who is elected isn't the outcome, a tightening of rules on how votes are gathered and counted is important (maybe even essential) to the continuance of our political system. If a presidential election isn't important enough to deal with the problems, when else will this be dealt with seriously?
In one state they are alleging that dead people voted. If the person died after casting the ballot, the ballot still counts. If someone voted using the identification of a dead person, Trump would have to prove that the dead voter voted against him. Wihthout names on ballots, - mail-in ballots have the signatures on the envelop, not on the ballot - that is impossible to prove.
Good article Erick, but leaving out some important issues. The relative huge lead in MI will only flip if massive fraud is proven (like Computer glitches) and/or clear violations of state law in counting/changing ballots that led to counting illegal ballots.. But other states have far lower victory margins for Biden than MI:148K which Trump does not need to win: e.g. WI: 20,539; PA:45,367; GA 12,338; AZ: 14,776; NV: 36,136. PA's lead is the largest of those states, but it is unclear how many ballots were counted that were received after election day, or at least I have not seen reported what number that is. I don't think there is a question of thousands of potentially fraudulent ballots in all those states, with number of thousands of dead voters and/or out-of-state voters being reported.. The question is how many thousands and whether Trump's lawyers found them. It is certainly a daunting task, but unless one has access to what Trump's lawyers know, one can only guess at how much provable fraud they found. It is irresponsible for anybody to say that no provable fraud exists or that more than the required amounts of provable fraud exists to flip elections (which unfortunately many people have insisted). If Trump can even flip one state by provable fraud and/or recount errors, it would be a major victory for the GOP, as the media and Dem's would never be able to exist that voter fraud is meaningless.
The suburbs of Philly defeated Trump even more than did the city. There are various theories as to why this is. Probably Trump and Republicans should have dared to campaign more in what is/was considered hostile territory. As I go down Lancaster Avenue in Philly (which one visitor called a "war zone"), I see a building with the big letters "E I B." That makes me think of Rush Limbaugh and what impact his dong a few shows from West Philly might have had.
Excuse me if I'm wrong but from a statistical standpoint, there are 2 data points that concern me:
1. Trump carried the largest percentage of minority vote for a republican in 60 years.
2. Biden received less minority votes in every major metropolitan city beside Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia and Atlanta.
Strange, if that's true, those are the largest cities in 4 states where the voting is in question!
Sorry, Erick, these abnormalities look too fishy.
My thinking is that there is not enough to prevent the inevitable Harris presidency but unless there is some consequence for the fraud in this election that is hailed as normal, then we will have become just inhabitants and no longer citizens in this country.
Correction on point 2: Biden received less minority votes than both Obama '12 and Clinto '16 in all major metropolitan areas beside Milwauke, Detroit, Philadelphia an Atlana.
I'm not opposed to investigating fraud. It should be investigated. But if it is not enough to throw out the election, there's really nothing that's going to be done.
Yes, as I stated above, I don't expect for enough to be found to overturn the presidential election. Still, any fraud needs to be exposed and soon! It's one thing to say we should fight like hell in Georgia to secure our senate seats but if there is fraud in the metro ATL that's substantial enough to flip one election, why not another or two?
Even if Trump is right, I don't think he has the credibility to sell it broadly enough. It looks like sour grapes. But he is encouraging some to never accept that he really lost. I don't think delusion is going to do the GOP any favors.
I just don’t think people really understand what it would do to this country if this election got thrown out. The majority of people voted for him. There is already dislike for Trump.
This is how civil wars start and they would blame Christians. This is dangerous stuff and I don’t think this President is considering the country
I know the President is considering the country. Joe Biden was apart of the most corrupt administration in modern history. He was trying to go after Gen. Michael Flynn over the Logan Act which is a joke, and if it is a serious law Joe Biden is guilty of it now. The ACA was predicated on a lie that has cost Americans thousands more dollars of their hard earned money every year. Health Insurance under the ACA has cost us more money and delivered nothing any better. Since some America’s forget that the Obama Biden administration told us a humungous ACA lie that is why we should fight the election results and root out any and all fraud. The media being one sided is another reason. They so far have won by being cozy with Democrats and delivering biased reporting that we can’t trust. That isn’t what reporters are supposed do and yet too many Americans don’t get it. The ACA may allow more to get coverage but look at who’s expense? The largest majority of Americans get health care through their employer and it would be fine with me to go back to the old insurance system. The small minority of those on the ACA for the most part are the same Americans that can’t hold a job, the police know them on a first name basis, they don’t have any ambition to improve their lives with schooling, and they think they are owed something. For some on the program who get cancer or kidney problems and can’t work I sympathies with them, but that population number can be handled differently rather than costing the rest of us worker bees. For some Americans a $1500 deductible isn’t obtainable and they end up putting off much needed procedures until they can save up the money. So if it tears apart the country apart so be it. I’d rather die on my feet then live on my knees.
We have survived bad presidents
In AZ, Biden won by only15,500 votes out of 3.3 million. In WI, he won by 20,500 out of 3.3 million. Biden is leading in GA by 11,600 votes out of over 5 million cast. In this truly unusual election year, with emotional anger in high gear, it would seem that voter fraud could affect these small numbers rationally.
I did some quick and dirty number crunching of the raw county results and all I can come up with is that the votes for Trump early but especially mail-in in Fulton and DeKalb are lower that statistically expected based on Republican voter choices on election day in those counties and all Republican voters in other Georgia Democrat-leaning counties that went for Biden. My benchmark was against votes given to David Perdue. Even if there were issues in Fulton and DeKalb, it would be barely enough - maybe to flip the state but I'm not sure how Trump votes on ballots that went for Perdue could be easily and in that number be removed. The number of Biden votes compared to Ossoff are more consistent such that they do not look to be high - meaning I don't think we had a ballot dump.
Nicely done. It is somewhat difficult for many people who have no "center" to find any balance in their thoughts and lives. The truth is, it is very hard work to exercise balance in our lives and our thoughts. Thank you for making the effort to do so in your analysis!
I think we all have a responsibility as Americans to make this the best place it can be. I think we find ourselves inundated with a constant flow of information to feed our greed or tweak out worst fears. That’s the two largest motivators for humans. The social media algorithms are created by some really smart people to do just that. Turn of our TVs, put down our laptops and leave our phones at home and go have dinner with our neighbors.
So now Biden is elected and we are asked to join forces in unity. What is next? Do you have thoughts on that? Is the Georgia Senatorial race important?
It is really rich for a bunch of people who spent four years marching the streets to call for unity. We need to fight like hell in Georgia.
Erick, The same can be said for how hard the US should have fought for the Presidential race, instead of GOP voters actively supporting the opposition candidate. Biden has already announce a number of first-day EO's:
1. Returning US to Paris Climate Accord.
2. Revoking Trump's EO banning critical race theory based training in federal government.
3. Reinstating the subsidized abortion-for-all Mexico city policy.
4. Reinstating the DACA program.
5. Revoking Trump's travel ban on terrorist nations (wrongly referred to as a Muslim ban).
6. Rejoining the WHO and ignoring the corruption China inserted into it.
Expect the Democrats to dump huge money into the GA Senate races that could arguably flip close races like Kemp's 2018 win and the 2020 races. GA is trending blue largely because too many suburban Republicans don't take seriously the dangerous practice of putting insane progressives anywhere near the throne of power.
In a national election with about 15 million excess votes compared to the previous maximum of about 130 M-votes, it is certainly legitimate to consider the possibility that not all of the mail-in-votes counted were made by legal voters. It may be impossible for Trump to prove fraud in the numbers required to flip the election results, but that doesn't mean it isn't a serious issue that needs investigated for the long-term good of our country. When you have ballots loosely controlled for legitimacy (as in the 2020 election) and a major battle for political control, it is a recipe for disaster.
God is always in control, but that doesn't mean he doesn't allow foolish choices to result in foolish results with devastating consequences. For instance, God's will may have permitted Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot to murder millions of their political opponents, but it is illogical to argue that God wanted that to happen. For example, God does want "all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth - 1 Timothy 2:4". But he also permits multitude of people to reject him, despite knowing the severe eternal consequences. Elections are primarily spiritual, but they do have major consequences. Putting Biden/Harris in charge of the Presidency can have major negative consequences that many voters ignored out of hatred for Trump. That is a foolish tragedy.
So mail in ballots perfectly fine in Utah but not for Pennsylvania? It doesn’t work that way.
Trumps margins in Philadelphia are better than four years ago the numbers don’t support widespread fraud.
One could point out it would be a foolish tragedy for folks to blindly support Trump and try to get an election thrown out so an unpopular President can stay in power.
A President whose approval ratings have never been above fifty percent. A President who did not have the popular vote last time. And is clearly behind in the electoral college. That this could destroy our democracy. Trump is disliked and not for unfair reasons. He stokes fires. A Presidents words matter.
You need to understand what it would do if there were four more years of Trump in these circumstances and he stokes fires with his fraud claims:
You might like Biden but the Democrats picked the most moderate of their candidates. Biden was always someone willing to reach across the aisle.
He was the only guy who folks could negotiate with in the Obama administration. I am sorry the Republicans aren’t going to control the White House forever.
I don’t think this President is considering our country. We solve disputed in the ballot box. We have the right to fire our leaders and yes even make bad firing decisions.
The alternative is fighting in the streets.
Utah is run by conservative Republicans who generally observe the moral values of Mormonism. This is not true for PHL-area Democrats, and there have been multiple convictions for voter fraud in PHL in recent years. Has anybody in Utah ever been convicted of voter fraud or even accused of it? Has anybody in Utah kept observers from witnessing the counting. It didn't take long for Utah to finish its count, but PA is still not fully counted. Why?
There are provable cases of voter fraud in various states. For example, it has been reported that ex-boxing-champ Joe Frazier voted in PHL even though he died in 2011. NV had lots of dead voters and non-residents who may have voted. Trump is entitled to contest elections and request recounts just as Gore did in 2000. We solve election disputes by following election laws, which is all that Trump is requesting (i.e. counting legal ballots and invalidating illegal ballots). Trump's margins were up in urban areas all over the US because his share of the black vote significantly increased. Ironically, the only class of voters Trump seemed to do worse at were white men.
The Democrats had no moderate candidates. Biden is only able to reach across the aisle to moderate Republicans who support the Democratic agenda, otherwise known as RINO's (Republicans In Name Only). His stated policies are more progressive than any previous administration and his VP-choice (Harris) ranks near the top of progressive Senators.
Trump has not called anybody Nazi's or Hitler, which can't be said for his opposition. If words matter, they matter on both sides. You are entitled to your opinion and your vote, just as I am entitled to my opinion and my vote, and just as Trump is entitled to pursue legal challenges to this election. You may not like that, but it is the law and that is what Republicans support. I wish you a nice day despite our differences in opinion.
How can we fight? Our senate seats are at stake. I’m ready to help but not sue how.
What does that look like in Georgia and want is our message? If America is not ready for progressive liberalism or even Socialism, should that message ring loud and clear in Georgia. Will the GOP carry this banner? The problem is with this last voting round, many of us are skeptical of a fair run off.
Biden has said he is for All Americans. We should believe him at his word as he is an honest God-loving man. Seems like we should not jump into the same lack of Godly compassion that Trump showed now that Biden has told us he is looking out for all of us. I voted for Trump twice. But now it seems like we should lay down our anger and trust.
Ask SCOTUS Clarence Thomas what type of "honest God loving man" Biden is. What goes around comes around. If Trump has "lack of Godly compassion" why are his numbers among non-whites, significant numbers among blacks and latinos, now at all time high.