Oracle is a company that has resisted the woke SJW culture. Founder Larry Ellison has stated that his company is a place for work only and that his employees should find their social life elsewhere and leave their politics at home. Oracle is the world's largest data management company whose clients consist of other corporations and government. Ellison, a Jewish kid from New York, has built boats that won the America's Cup. I suspect Ellison understands that when you take a "corporate political position" you end up pissing about half your customers off. Great business advice, by the way.
For those asking: Basecamp makes team management and remote operations software for business, a type of software whose use has exploded in the last year courtesy of the Wuhan coronavirus. Basecamp's default position on employees' political activities leaching into the overall corporate culture is to me refreshingly similar to the position formerly taken by a 20 year employer of mine, the Department of Defense. Alas, under the Bidenauts, Woke-o-Haram has manage to infect DoD, much to the detriment of mission readiness, IMO.
But certainly, were I in the market for such software, Basecamp would be truly worthy of my consideration.
P.S. I can't help but wonder if Basecamp being headquartered in the Great Midwestern Free Fire Zone, aka Chicago, has had some effect on its refreshing political agnosticism.
Whatever Basecamp is selling I will buy it!!! I heard your monologue on the radio, Eric, and I hope people will listen to the whole broadcast. There is more good sense in Basecamp's philosophy than could be put into this commentary.
What kind of technology does Basecamp provide? Would LOVE to see more companies have this approach. As a service provider myself, I make it a point that my clients have no idea what my political views are. It is none of their business and theirs is none of mine. All that should matter to them is whether or not I provide a good product and all I need to know is that they pay their bills! I am really very distressed over the insanity of companies making business decisions based on political views. It amounts to corporate extortion in my opinion.
Would love to see a trend. I think regular folks are beginning to be filled up to the gills with ‘wokeness’. Especially infuriating to those of us for whom race, religion, cultural differences among co-equal Americans has never been a dividing factor.
On a tangential note, watched ‘The Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ the other night. I’ll avoid spoiling, but it was good to see Anthony Mackie’s character as one of a black man standing up for America, not trying to burn it down.
Exactly. Because black men want to burn down the country we helped build. This is the ridiculousness Im talking about. But until white folks start calling other white people out on this kind of BS nothing will change.
Crash, glad to have you as part of the conversation. Hate talking in a silo. Not sure what you’re saying, though. I know all black men don’t want to burn down this country...by far, most don’t. But, the only media coverage we hear focuses 97% on the outraged members of the BLM movement. It’s a ludicrous idea. Senator Tim Scott’s Republican response tonight was brilliant. There are racists in America, but America is not a racist nation. Going back to the Marvel Comics thing, The Falcon takes up a new identity, aware of the struggle he’ll undergo, but still takes it on. He’s an American who happens to be black. Yea Disney, for once.
Interesting culture shift over the past 50 years or so. Been out in the eng'g workforce for 40 years now, early on worked for HP (the 'scope and analyzer side, not the computer side). The HP culture was very socially oriented - many of my friends were my colleagues. The folks I played softball and soccer with were...from HP. When FAC came around, we would go...as HP.
This was *not* a political statement, more a factor that if you like who you work with, you'll work harder with them than you would with complete strangers. It worked for quite a while until things started getting tougher, had their first "official" layoff in the late 90's (did some "excessing" a bit before true layoffs started, but was pretty much voluntary for most of us).
HP fostered a culture of relationship as well as technology leadership. Bill and Dave were both still alive, they kept looking after people (some may recall the "nine-day fortnight" periods - to avoid layoffs, we'd get paid for 9 days work in 10 days, 10th day strictly voluntary...most of us still came in on that Friday). Politics never really factored in to that aspect in my recollection. I recall radically leftist friends, crazy libertarian friends, conservative friends (like me) - we all managed to enjoy each others' company within the company without it become a political engine for [name your cause].
HP was not really family, but it was extended family and friends. It could be all-absorbing if you wanted it to be, but were encouraged to get out, go home, go do something just for your actual family, etc. Frankly, in those days, HP represented the true nature of high-tech diversity - not by skin color or life choices, but smart people that worked with other smart people, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.
The artificial constructs created in the last 20 or so years have damaged all of us. "Silo" sub-culture is killing America. And Erick's point is companies that "silo" by predilection or crusade rather than by talent lose sight of the intent of life here on earth, and eventually run people into the ground. In the meantime, as willing grist for the mill, these "youngsters" find fulfillment, not in a job well done, but in a job that affirms their self-image (-delusion?) based on the echo-chamber they enter in the hallowed halls of a Woke company.
Oracle is a company that has resisted the woke SJW culture. Founder Larry Ellison has stated that his company is a place for work only and that his employees should find their social life elsewhere and leave their politics at home. Oracle is the world's largest data management company whose clients consist of other corporations and government. Ellison, a Jewish kid from New York, has built boats that won the America's Cup. I suspect Ellison understands that when you take a "corporate political position" you end up pissing about half your customers off. Great business advice, by the way.
For those asking: Basecamp makes team management and remote operations software for business, a type of software whose use has exploded in the last year courtesy of the Wuhan coronavirus. Basecamp's default position on employees' political activities leaching into the overall corporate culture is to me refreshingly similar to the position formerly taken by a 20 year employer of mine, the Department of Defense. Alas, under the Bidenauts, Woke-o-Haram has manage to infect DoD, much to the detriment of mission readiness, IMO.
But certainly, were I in the market for such software, Basecamp would be truly worthy of my consideration.
P.S. I can't help but wonder if Basecamp being headquartered in the Great Midwestern Free Fire Zone, aka Chicago, has had some effect on its refreshing political agnosticism.
Whatever Basecamp is selling I will buy it!!! I heard your monologue on the radio, Eric, and I hope people will listen to the whole broadcast. There is more good sense in Basecamp's philosophy than could be put into this commentary.
How can we support Basecamp?
What kind of technology does Basecamp provide? Would LOVE to see more companies have this approach. As a service provider myself, I make it a point that my clients have no idea what my political views are. It is none of their business and theirs is none of mine. All that should matter to them is whether or not I provide a good product and all I need to know is that they pay their bills! I am really very distressed over the insanity of companies making business decisions based on political views. It amounts to corporate extortion in my opinion.
I hope it happens with others!!
There are other things going on there: https://www.platformer.news/p/-what-really-happened-at-basecamp
Would love to see a trend. I think regular folks are beginning to be filled up to the gills with ‘wokeness’. Especially infuriating to those of us for whom race, religion, cultural differences among co-equal Americans has never been a dividing factor.
On a tangential note, watched ‘The Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ the other night. I’ll avoid spoiling, but it was good to see Anthony Mackie’s character as one of a black man standing up for America, not trying to burn it down.
Exactly. Because black men want to burn down the country we helped build. This is the ridiculousness Im talking about. But until white folks start calling other white people out on this kind of BS nothing will change.
Crash, glad to have you as part of the conversation. Hate talking in a silo. Not sure what you’re saying, though. I know all black men don’t want to burn down this country...by far, most don’t. But, the only media coverage we hear focuses 97% on the outraged members of the BLM movement. It’s a ludicrous idea. Senator Tim Scott’s Republican response tonight was brilliant. There are racists in America, but America is not a racist nation. Going back to the Marvel Comics thing, The Falcon takes up a new identity, aware of the struggle he’ll undergo, but still takes it on. He’s an American who happens to be black. Yea Disney, for once.
"By saying they are done with woke and wanting employees to act like grownups, will other companies follow?"
One can only hope.
Interesting culture shift over the past 50 years or so. Been out in the eng'g workforce for 40 years now, early on worked for HP (the 'scope and analyzer side, not the computer side). The HP culture was very socially oriented - many of my friends were my colleagues. The folks I played softball and soccer with were...from HP. When FAC came around, we would go...as HP.
This was *not* a political statement, more a factor that if you like who you work with, you'll work harder with them than you would with complete strangers. It worked for quite a while until things started getting tougher, had their first "official" layoff in the late 90's (did some "excessing" a bit before true layoffs started, but was pretty much voluntary for most of us).
HP fostered a culture of relationship as well as technology leadership. Bill and Dave were both still alive, they kept looking after people (some may recall the "nine-day fortnight" periods - to avoid layoffs, we'd get paid for 9 days work in 10 days, 10th day strictly voluntary...most of us still came in on that Friday). Politics never really factored in to that aspect in my recollection. I recall radically leftist friends, crazy libertarian friends, conservative friends (like me) - we all managed to enjoy each others' company within the company without it become a political engine for [name your cause].
HP was not really family, but it was extended family and friends. It could be all-absorbing if you wanted it to be, but were encouraged to get out, go home, go do something just for your actual family, etc. Frankly, in those days, HP represented the true nature of high-tech diversity - not by skin color or life choices, but smart people that worked with other smart people, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.
The artificial constructs created in the last 20 or so years have damaged all of us. "Silo" sub-culture is killing America. And Erick's point is companies that "silo" by predilection or crusade rather than by talent lose sight of the intent of life here on earth, and eventually run people into the ground. In the meantime, as willing grist for the mill, these "youngsters" find fulfillment, not in a job well done, but in a job that affirms their self-image (-delusion?) based on the echo-chamber they enter in the hallowed halls of a Woke company.
Come quickly, Lord Jesus!
Good for them. I have told several employers that I will never be a family member. They had my devotion during work hours only.
Folks need to get a life