Pfizer, Moderna, and Fetal Cells

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There are three vaccines for COVID in this country. One is the Johnson & Johnson. The others are Pfizer and Moderna. Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA vaccines. They're a newer type of vaccine. Johnson & Johnson is a traditional vaccine that uses part of the COVID virus. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use an mRNA sequence of the protein that's on the outside of COVID, which causes your body to mount an immune response. They're different and their manufacturing is different.

With most traditional vaccines, cell lines are derived from two aborted fetuses. One of those cell lines comes from an aborted child from the early 1980s in the United States in California. Another comes from an aborted child from the Netherlands in 1973. And when I say abortion, you immediately think of an elective abortion. Someone went in to terminate their pregnancy. We actually don't know. With the California one, maybe so. With the Dutch one, abortion was common in the Netherlands at the time, but it was illegal.

The one from Netherland in the 1970s came from either an abortion that was related to saving the life of a mother, or more likely from a miscarriage. We don't know, but the odds are the Dutch one came from a miscarriage because abortion was illegal at the time. That's not to say it didn't happen. It actually happened pretty regularly, but mostly those didn't then get used in scientific research. In illegal abortion, the fetal tissue didn't get steered into scientific research. Legal abortions did.

The position of the Catholic church, which takes this more seriously than any Protestant church, is that we are so far removed in time that we're okay. The further position is that even if you maintain your moral reservation, that with the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines you are believing a lie. To say that aborted tissue was used in the manufacturing of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines is not true. It is 100% true that fetal tissue cell was used in the manufacture of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. It is a 100% lie to say that aborted fetal cells were used for Moderna and Pfizer because the manufacturing process of an mRNA vaccine is vastly different, they do not have to use it.

Now, that being said, pretty much every medicine on the market is tested against fetal kidney tissue. If the fetal tissue can process the medicine, you can process the medicine. The Pfizer and the Moderna mRNA vaccines had no fetal tissue cells involved in their manufacturing, but they were tested on the fetal cells of the Netherlands fetal tissue line. The Dutch fetal tissue line, again, most likely came from a miscarriage. But in the early 1970s where the line comes from, it was illegal to do elective abortions in the Netherlands. They still happened, but rarely did that material get into scientific research. Miscarriages and abortions to save moms were much more common.

Over time the fetal lines were reproduced over and over for scientific testing of medicines. So we are now in 2021. The line of cells has been replicated over and over since the 1970s. We are very far removed from the death of that child, which is one reason the Catholic church says that they're okay morally with the situation. We're using the kidney cells of fetal tissue that are multi-generationally removed from the situation.

Now, to put this in greater perspective, most major medicines are tested on the kidney fetal tissue cells of these fetal lines. 30 common medications have used fetal cell lines during research and development. I want to give you some of those medicines you've heard of. Acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation-H, Claratin, Prilosec, and Zoloft.

So if you're upset that the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines were tested on fetal tissue cells derived from a 1970s abortion, you shouldn't take acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Advil, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation-H, Claratin, Prilosec, or Zoloft, because they actually have more research and development involving fetal tissue lines than the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines.

Now, my personal position on this goes back to Joseph in Genesis. What someone meant for ill, God meant for good. These two children who died have saved the lives of millions and millions of children and adults. What someone meant for evil, God meant for good. IF there was an elective abortion, the evil that came from the act of electivly killing a child, has been used to save hundreds of millions of people around the world.

This is not a justification to say, go out and do more. We don't need more. There are these two children who died. Again, the one that Pfizer and Moderna were tested on was a fetal tissue line derived from an aborted child from the 1970s in Netherlands, when it was illegal to do an elective abortion. This means the odds are, it was a miscarriage or an abortion to save the life of a mother, not an elective abortion. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but most likely did not happen.

That's my position. I will not tell you that you should have my position. I will just tell you that there is willful disinformation out there claiming that the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines use fetal tissue cells in their development. That is a lie designed to discourage you from getting vaccinated. It is a lie that is not grounded in truth. The truth is that they were tested upon the kidney fetal cells of a line that extends back to the 1970s in the Netherlands, but not a single bit of fetal tissue went into the development or manufacturer the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

If you have a moral concern about the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine based on abortion, I would tell you you are misguided. There's a legitimate moral concern about the Johnson & Johnson, but on Pfizer and Moderna, it's just simply not true. I will never understand why there is such a concerted effort to provide you misinformation and lies to dissuade you from taking a lifesaving treatment.

People do die from vaccines. It is not very common, including in this case, it's not very common. Yes, there are side effects. There are side effects of many medicines, including these vaccines. Are they common? No. Would I encourage you to take this vaccine? 1,000% yes. If you're not comfortable taking it, I do not want any part in pressuring you or bullying you to take it.

In fact, there's a story out today that Hollywood is beginning to censor actors and actresses who are skeptical. The most prominent is Kyrie Irving. Irving came out and said he wasn't taking the vaccine because he got COVID and now has natural immunity. His natural immunity is higher so why take a vaccine when he's got natural immunity that is higher than with the vaccine. The media tried not to make eye contact with it until it went viral on the internet. Now they're having to trot out celebrities to attack this guy for saying something that is true because they want you to take the vaccine. I want you to take the vaccine, but not at the expense of truth.

It's remarkable to me how the left in this country and the media elite in this country will savage a young black man who said nothing but truth, in order for you to do what they want. There is no reason to have to lie and defame a guy who said nothing but the truth. There's no reason to bully you or him.

Neither side should be lying to you. Neither side should be seeding disinformation and yet both sides are. The hard anti-vaccine crowd and the hard pro-vaccine crowd are both engaged in bullying tactics and disinformation. We're in a day and age where each side defines itself by what it's against. So instead of X and Y, it's X and negative X, the opposite of whatever the other side believes. That is a level of worldliness I seek never to possess. The things of the world hate the things of God.

When you've got two sides in the world fighting with each other and defining each side by what the other side is against, that's not healthy for society. To the extent you have fallen in that, I hope you pull yourself out of it. You should not be against something just because the other side is for it, nor should you be for something because the other side is against it. You should try to be reasonable in your approaches and realize life is a little more nuanced than X and negative X.

For more on the medicines that have been tested using the Dutch fetal cell line, read this.