Independent and Democratic voters don't "disdain Biden." There is just not a lot of enthusiasm for him. That will likely change, one-on-one against Trump.
I concur with this sentiment; something does feel off. There are two presumptive candidates right now - both my spidey sense tells me that neither one will be running next year. In my opinion only DeSantis can beat Trump in the Republican primaries; all the other candidates pale in comparison. DeSantis appears to be holding steady prepping for Iowa and NH after which most of the wannabes will check out. After NH or SC we might actually have a two-person race for the nomination. Biden - probably won't make it - leaving the door to Newsome, Michelle and, I believe the most viable Democrat replacement - Whitmer from Michigan. There still is a long way to go.
Most people aren't following the election. But they hate Washington DC. We're just witnessing anti-government rage, manifested in pro-Trump sympathy. Trump's "support" is a mile wide, but an inch deep. Y'all will seen soon enough. Voting starts in Jan . . . then the "race" begins.
The republican messaging and fundraising seems embarassing and ineffective to me. First, while I think Trump did well as president on policy, his messaging is all about himself, the past and emotional. "I will end the Ukraine war in a day..." is a sound bite but doesn't inspire confidence, just reflects bluster. As you have reported, he spends more campaign funds on legal defense than supporting conservatives. I actually think age should be a key campaign issue. While no one is as mentally and physically incompetent as Biden with the exception of Feinstein perhaps, why can't the Republican party champion the need to look to the future, and bring in a new, younger set of leaders? Trump would be an 80 y/o president, we see not only the above mentioned but folks like McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi et all that are all too old to stand up the demands of leadership. Being the first to acknowledge the need for the "net gen leaders" would be a winning argument and I think DeSantis, Haley or Scott are all better candidates than anyone I can envision the Democrats bringing forward.
I think that these are good points and a related one is that we can only get one term out of Trump in the unlikely event he'd win. With anyone else we have a better chance to win a general election AND we can get 8 years out of that person.
I’ve accepted Trump will never be President again. The “they” is very real, and trillions and trillions of defense spending (and so much power) are at stake. They have outsmarted him at every turn from 2016 on, and all he has done is make newer and bigger enemies. I imagine they have molls on his personal staff. They will cheat and rig, and they won’t care one bit how bad it looks, because it’s against Trump. They’ll do stuff they couldn’t do with DeSantis.
Momentum is important, but isn’t it usually a media thing? If DeSantis gets momentum, the media will destroy him, because he could beat any democrat, even the fey Gavin Newsom. They won’t let him have the Big Mo after Iowa.
Maybe change is coming. Maybe Trump’s support is shallow. I was once a huge Cult of Trump person, because he fought for us. Now I can’t stand the cringe tweets, and I haven’t watched a rally since 2020. His terrible personnel decisions. He seldom learns a lesson or exercises self control. He is so easily duped by his enemies. Yes he might win, but Trump is truly the only candidate who could possibly LOSE to Joe Biden.
What if he’d bowed out and campaigned for election reforms?
What if the Trump campaign hadn’t sold my phone number to every organization on earth. 🤣
man you are right on that last point especially ... no matter how many times I unsubscribe to Trump emails I never signed up for or reply STOP to numerous texts from his campaign, it's like playing Wack-a-Mole, more pop up constantly.
I believe that many who say they support Trump won’t actually vote for him when primaries begin. They are only saying they will to see heads explode on the liberal networks. Why do I say this? Because it’s what I would do. There are just too many questions about the court cases that can’t be overlooked.
I've often wondered who the pollsters question. I'm in my late 50s and have never received a call from a pollster. Do they actually poll people in different areas of the country or just their favored locations? Based on the polls' track record over the past 8 years where the majority were wrong, and not just by a little bit, I believe polls about as much as I do a Magic 8 Ball.
I have been polled twice this year (and I just moved to the South last year). Before that I lived in PA, a swing state, and was polled several times a year. It helps if you are a 'supervoter', ie someone who votes in every election. Pollsters prefer to talk to frequent voters.
Erick- At what point do the republicans start helping the democrats indict Trump to get him disqualified for the presidency? Or is that already happening?
There are numerous studies that show smokers in general have a lower IQ than nonsmokers. Yes, there are exceptions.
Heart vs head... feelings vs thought.
Emotional IQ
I really wonder if the Trump humpers are just not as smart or just have a lower EIQ. The easiest way to take a decision is to make in binary, the choice you emotionally convince yourself you want vs the untenable choice.
The 30 something % that are going to vote for Biden regardless are the same.
There comes a point where I simply won't waste my time trying to reason with emotion.
These fools don't have the problem I do, which is if I have choose between Trump and Biden I may not vote for President, I want neither. Full well recognizing America will suffer economically and culturally under Biden.
And I won't blame Democrats if Biden wins I will blame GOP voters that offered up Trump.
I get Republicans are as responsible for Trump as Democrats. McCain, Romney, doing nothing to stop Obama.
This is not 2016, we have a field of seasoned, qualified conservative values candidates that can deliver. Trump can't deliver.
The country will suffer under Trump too, just in different ways. I reject that as an option.
We hear about the never Trumpers. But do we hear about the growing numbers of never Bidens? It appears we're heading for another hold-your-nose presidential election for both sides. Trump won the one against Hillary. Biden is clearly not operating on all cylinders and Trump governed over one of the most robust economies in our history. Seems like there's a path for a Trump victory if he's the nominee and can stay on an effective message. Yeah, money might be a problem for him and I'm not convinced Biden will be the democrat nominee.
I'm still waiting to see what Trump's message actually IS. So far all I hear out of him is petty diatribes, name calling against his competition for the nomination, and a lot of whining about his grievances re 2020. I'm not interested in that stuff in the least. That he keeps stepping on rakes with the Dems and giving them ammunition to go after him with (particularly in the Mar-A-Lago docs case and the Georgia election interference cases, the only two I think have any teeth to them)...it makes us look like morons to elevate him to nominee. He's the only guy who can't beat Biden because so many Independents and Dems intensely dislike him. Even if you had every single R vote for Trump you'd still need some D's and I's. It's not going to happen. At this point if he won't step aside for the good of the party he needs to be pushed aside.
We have entered a period where winning the primary is seen as winning the general election.
If Biden is not the Democrat nominee and Trump is the Republican nominee then the Democrat will win. 70+% of the country wants someone not named Trump or Biden. The party that offers that will win.
why is it Trump supporters willingly believe without question any poll that has their guy up, but any other poll that contradicts it must be wrong? Oh and I HAVE been polled, twice this year.
Nobody likes a whiner Nixon lost in 1960 then won in 68 without whining about losing to Kennedy Trump has a hard time taking responsibility for anything time to move on. No to Joe and the Donald along with the geriatric senators and congress we need new leadership
We need new leadership. No old, infirm people. We need people who will not lie flagrantly. If the Republicans can't get the job done, the Democrats may. But the Dems need to provide new leadership and no old, infirm people, and no flagrant liars. I'm not holding my breath.
Black Americans that said they supported OJ Simpson to pollsters would have had second thoughts if he came to date their daughters.
The polls are skewed . If anyone should get an poll survey it would be my Wife . Asian immigrant in 1974 .
Democrats try their best to get her to vote By mail but never a poll by phone from anyone.
Traditionally Thai’s are Democrat but not her. She voted Trump twice same as me.
DT may be the 2024 Repub candidate. but rest assured Joe Biden will not be the Dem candidate 2024. Erick needs another paid 2 week sabbatical. Selah
This is why I hope for a new party.
Independent and Democratic voters don't "disdain Biden." There is just not a lot of enthusiasm for him. That will likely change, one-on-one against Trump.
Could it be you that’s “off”...?
I concur with this sentiment; something does feel off. There are two presumptive candidates right now - both my spidey sense tells me that neither one will be running next year. In my opinion only DeSantis can beat Trump in the Republican primaries; all the other candidates pale in comparison. DeSantis appears to be holding steady prepping for Iowa and NH after which most of the wannabes will check out. After NH or SC we might actually have a two-person race for the nomination. Biden - probably won't make it - leaving the door to Newsome, Michelle and, I believe the most viable Democrat replacement - Whitmer from Michigan. There still is a long way to go.
I agree about Whitmer: the strongest Democrat, who nobody knows about.
Most people aren't following the election. But they hate Washington DC. We're just witnessing anti-government rage, manifested in pro-Trump sympathy. Trump's "support" is a mile wide, but an inch deep. Y'all will seen soon enough. Voting starts in Jan . . . then the "race" begins.
The republican messaging and fundraising seems embarassing and ineffective to me. First, while I think Trump did well as president on policy, his messaging is all about himself, the past and emotional. "I will end the Ukraine war in a day..." is a sound bite but doesn't inspire confidence, just reflects bluster. As you have reported, he spends more campaign funds on legal defense than supporting conservatives. I actually think age should be a key campaign issue. While no one is as mentally and physically incompetent as Biden with the exception of Feinstein perhaps, why can't the Republican party champion the need to look to the future, and bring in a new, younger set of leaders? Trump would be an 80 y/o president, we see not only the above mentioned but folks like McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi et all that are all too old to stand up the demands of leadership. Being the first to acknowledge the need for the "net gen leaders" would be a winning argument and I think DeSantis, Haley or Scott are all better candidates than anyone I can envision the Democrats bringing forward.
I agree with what you say about age, and acceptable GOP candidates.
I think that these are good points and a related one is that we can only get one term out of Trump in the unlikely event he'd win. With anyone else we have a better chance to win a general election AND we can get 8 years out of that person.
I’ve accepted Trump will never be President again. The “they” is very real, and trillions and trillions of defense spending (and so much power) are at stake. They have outsmarted him at every turn from 2016 on, and all he has done is make newer and bigger enemies. I imagine they have molls on his personal staff. They will cheat and rig, and they won’t care one bit how bad it looks, because it’s against Trump. They’ll do stuff they couldn’t do with DeSantis.
Momentum is important, but isn’t it usually a media thing? If DeSantis gets momentum, the media will destroy him, because he could beat any democrat, even the fey Gavin Newsom. They won’t let him have the Big Mo after Iowa.
Maybe change is coming. Maybe Trump’s support is shallow. I was once a huge Cult of Trump person, because he fought for us. Now I can’t stand the cringe tweets, and I haven’t watched a rally since 2020. His terrible personnel decisions. He seldom learns a lesson or exercises self control. He is so easily duped by his enemies. Yes he might win, but Trump is truly the only candidate who could possibly LOSE to Joe Biden.
What if he’d bowed out and campaigned for election reforms?
What if the Trump campaign hadn’t sold my phone number to every organization on earth. 🤣
man you are right on that last point especially ... no matter how many times I unsubscribe to Trump emails I never signed up for or reply STOP to numerous texts from his campaign, it's like playing Wack-a-Mole, more pop up constantly.
I believe that many who say they support Trump won’t actually vote for him when primaries begin. They are only saying they will to see heads explode on the liberal networks. Why do I say this? Because it’s what I would do. There are just too many questions about the court cases that can’t be overlooked.
I've often wondered who the pollsters question. I'm in my late 50s and have never received a call from a pollster. Do they actually poll people in different areas of the country or just their favored locations? Based on the polls' track record over the past 8 years where the majority were wrong, and not just by a little bit, I believe polls about as much as I do a Magic 8 Ball.
I have been polled twice this year (and I just moved to the South last year). Before that I lived in PA, a swing state, and was polled several times a year. It helps if you are a 'supervoter', ie someone who votes in every election. Pollsters prefer to talk to frequent voters.
Erick- At what point do the republicans start helping the democrats indict Trump to get him disqualified for the presidency? Or is that already happening?
Indicting is easy. Convicting is difficult.
There are numerous studies that show smokers in general have a lower IQ than nonsmokers. Yes, there are exceptions.
Heart vs head... feelings vs thought.
Emotional IQ
I really wonder if the Trump humpers are just not as smart or just have a lower EIQ. The easiest way to take a decision is to make in binary, the choice you emotionally convince yourself you want vs the untenable choice.
The 30 something % that are going to vote for Biden regardless are the same.
There comes a point where I simply won't waste my time trying to reason with emotion.
These fools don't have the problem I do, which is if I have choose between Trump and Biden I may not vote for President, I want neither. Full well recognizing America will suffer economically and culturally under Biden.
And I won't blame Democrats if Biden wins I will blame GOP voters that offered up Trump.
I get Republicans are as responsible for Trump as Democrats. McCain, Romney, doing nothing to stop Obama.
This is not 2016, we have a field of seasoned, qualified conservative values candidates that can deliver. Trump can't deliver.
The country will suffer under Trump too, just in different ways. I reject that as an option.
Then who is the fool for doing that? You can also wright in someone. Sitting out and not voting will only make your voice not heard!
We hear about the never Trumpers. But do we hear about the growing numbers of never Bidens? It appears we're heading for another hold-your-nose presidential election for both sides. Trump won the one against Hillary. Biden is clearly not operating on all cylinders and Trump governed over one of the most robust economies in our history. Seems like there's a path for a Trump victory if he's the nominee and can stay on an effective message. Yeah, money might be a problem for him and I'm not convinced Biden will be the democrat nominee.
I'm still waiting to see what Trump's message actually IS. So far all I hear out of him is petty diatribes, name calling against his competition for the nomination, and a lot of whining about his grievances re 2020. I'm not interested in that stuff in the least. That he keeps stepping on rakes with the Dems and giving them ammunition to go after him with (particularly in the Mar-A-Lago docs case and the Georgia election interference cases, the only two I think have any teeth to them)...it makes us look like morons to elevate him to nominee. He's the only guy who can't beat Biden because so many Independents and Dems intensely dislike him. Even if you had every single R vote for Trump you'd still need some D's and I's. It's not going to happen. At this point if he won't step aside for the good of the party he needs to be pushed aside.
"Never Bidens" are news to me. Few Democrats are enthusiastic about him, but I would be shocked to learn of any who won't support him as the nominee.
But much worse, everyone has experienced the last four years of Biden and nearly 8 years of TDS in the media.
The lesser of two evils, really?
We have entered a period where winning the primary is seen as winning the general election.
If Biden is not the Democrat nominee and Trump is the Republican nominee then the Democrat will win. 70+% of the country wants someone not named Trump or Biden. The party that offers that will win.
What part of the country is it 70 %?. I have not nor the people I work with or know have ever been polled!
So you and your friends are in the group of 100,000,000+ that has not been polled... think about that.
I haven't been polled either, I still believe it..
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/25/2024-trump-biden-presidential-rematch
why is it Trump supporters willingly believe without question any poll that has their guy up, but any other poll that contradicts it must be wrong? Oh and I HAVE been polled, twice this year.
Thanks for agreeing.
Nobody likes a whiner Nixon lost in 1960 then won in 68 without whining about losing to Kennedy Trump has a hard time taking responsibility for anything time to move on. No to Joe and the Donald along with the geriatric senators and congress we need new leadership
We need new leadership. No old, infirm people. We need people who will not lie flagrantly. If the Republicans can't get the job done, the Democrats may. But the Dems need to provide new leadership and no old, infirm people, and no flagrant liars. I'm not holding my breath.