Biden stated that the unvaccinated are endangering the vaccinated. How exactly does that work if the vaccines work as claimed? What was missing from his diatribe and has been missing from everything said by the government regarding vaccination rates is the 100,000,000 or so who have natural immunity. I suspect that this comprises the largest portion of the great unvaccinated.
“ Whatever happened to “my body, my choice?” For those saying the unvaccinated can kill others, an abortion literally and scientifically kills another human being. The double standard is amazing.”. Excellent point! Thank you.
President Biden's team seems to have found the solution to his incoherent thought processes. My guess is 5:00 will be "his time" for all future pressers. He appears to suffer from "Sundowning" syndrome. In the 5:00 hour he reads better and loses his train of thought less. It does not surprise me no one in the media is talking about it anymore. As for the voting public, I'm not confident people will still vote for freedom when they can vote for cradle to grave subsistence. Good luck America. This is so troubling to me.
Government "mandates" are counterproductive. People should have the common sense and personal responsibility to get vaccinated to protect their neighbor and to end this plague. But that's not how it works in today's post-modern, post-Christian society. The more Sleepy Joe talks about it the less likely almost anybody in my former "tribe" will get the shot.
P.S. Oddly enough, if Trump would have won all this would be bass-ackwards and it would be the Democrats in open rebellion about the "Trump vaccine."
I have a number or airline pilot friends. They refuse to get the vaccine because of the possibility of developing a side reaction from the poke. Such a reaction, while rare, could result in the loss of their "medical" and thus end their flying career. Many have told their employers through the pilots union that they will simply retire and fly in another capacity.
Biden will use OHSA to impose the mandate. Not sure if that is constitutional but the courts will decide. I am vaccinated, but that was my choice. I looked at the risk vs benefit of getting it or not. One big incentive, was get the shot and get back to normal. No masks, distancing unless you chose to do so. The administration, CDC etc blew that out of the water.
This administration has weaponized the DOJ, with baseless law suits because they did not like a law or they wanted another statue. Only hope that in 2 and 4 years from now another administration can undo the carnage that this administration is imposing.
As a Republic and NOT a libertarian democracy, we citizens widely support the legitimacy of our government imposing restrictions on our behavior that protect the community, e.g., traffic laws, clean food and water laws and the vaccination of school children. The vaccination of all appropriate individuals during a deadly pandemic is no different. Heck, the draft is still a law, enabling the feds to forcibly put my male children in uniform, hand them rifles, and drive them over a hill to face the withering gunfire of an adversary during times of national emergency.
The other side of this argument is just this: should vaccines and other public health measures be mandated when the lethality of a disease is low? When using the smallpox ruling of 1905 by the Supreme Court supporting mandatory vaccination, we should remember that this disease had a 30% mortality rate! Overall, the CDC published mortality rate of PROVEN COVID-19 CASES hovers a little over 1%. However, using seroprevalence data, i.e., looking at everyone in a population that have developed antibodies without having previously being diagnosed with COVID-19(usually asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic individuals), the mortality rate is about 1/700 for individuals under 70 years of age in Georgia (WHO Research, 2021). And my state does not have a particularly good health profile as a baseline.
My current thought is that mandates should currently only apply to healthcare providers and first responders, and maybe teachers(to protect themselves so that they can continue teaching in the classroom) but not the general public. Enraging a lot of folks over a mandate when people commonly understand that this disease is not so deadly will make it that much harder to effectively mandate vaccination when the next virus to escape from the Wuhan bio-weapons lab is a highly lethal hybridization of corona virus and ebola with a 50% mortality rate.
Why is it no one talks about the immunity that one gets if they have already had covid and recovered? We have had it. My husband had to ask for an antibody test. His results were through the roof and we had covid at the beginning of March. Why should we have to inject our bodies with more of what we already have? I am sure that we are not the only ones in this situation. Maybe we should get an immunity pass that we can flash when someone wants to see our vaccine card.
Well from an independent mindset I am glad the vaccine is being mandated. Way too many sick people in hospitals that will cost us all and many will die. Not everything the administration does is bad and not everything Republicans do is good. Time for all of us to be independent thinkers and support the individual. Group think is dangerous whether you are conservative trumpian or progressive
Brian, I welcome alternative views ‘cause silos are useless. But, I was a conservative long before Trump. Never considered him seriously at all until he stepped in to my way of thinking. So not a trumpist or a trumper just a conservative who found President Trump to be the only choice given Hillary or Biden.
Brian, you wrote: Well from an independent mindset I am glad the vaccine is being mandated." replace vaccine with camps. When does it stop sir? Would you willingly walk into a isolation camp if you were sick? Ask our allies in Australia about their internment camps. You sir, and your opinion are helping end our republic.
TBH i am of the opinion that open dialogue is more productive than accusing others of ending the republic No one outside of Jesus Christ owned the moral high ground. Have a blessed day
I'm an independent also Brian. Respectfully, I think you are missing the point here. This is unlawful. This is overstep in a massive way. It has to be challenged in court, not for the reason but for the precedent. Too much power in government is centralized these days. This would be a massive power grab, allowing any administration to dictate what ever "morale" responsibility that they feel they have.
I'm vaccinated. I believe if you are a responsible adult that you should be vaccinated and if you have children 12 and up, that they should be vaccinated . But this is very dangerous. Should and will be challenged.
Because of terrorism, the government can pry into your life seamlessly legally. According to Erick, the Biden administration is trying to sneak into legislation additional legislation that forces all financial institutions to report any transaction $600.00 or up.
You can already be legally tracked by the government. And now they are trying to ascertain all of your spending habits. Why? They want your money! And now the government, through the company you work for, is telling you the drugs you should take. What's next? A required DNA test, so the government can tell you what to eat and not eat? Estimate your life expectation, tell you how to live and tax you if you do not follow their protocol? Don't laugh - it isn't far-fetched to see that inside of the next 50 years.
No, if future generations have any shot a free life remotely close to ours, then we have to fight back. Not for us, but for the future of this country.
I appreciate your perspective and dialogue...but how do we pay for all of this expensive Healthcare to treat covid and stop the spread of the virus? Find a better solution and I am all ears
It's the precedent this sets that is so alarming. Anything can now be declared a "public health crisis". "Racism" has been declared a public health crisis, climate change has been declared a public health crisis, militant vegans claim that eating meat is a public health crisis...basically anything that the government wants to, can be declared a public health crisis and mandates can be imposed to force compliance with the preferred ideology.
Six of our church members came down with Covid. All six had been "fully vaccinated" as soon as the vaccine was available to them, which was early on, because they are all elderly. Yet they contracted Covid. Three of them required hospitalization.
A vaccine, by definition, is "a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease".
"Provide immunity"...this vaccine obviously does not do that. So why, I ask, is the government so bound and determined that we are all vaccinated?
How much are the taxpayers spending on the vaccine itself? How much on the administration of the vaccine? How much more will we be paying for the enforcement of the mandates? What happens to those who cannot, for one reason or another, tolerate the vaccine? VAERS shows 650,075 reports of adverse reactions to the vaccines...we're also paying for all of those hospitalizations and deaths.
"One size fits all" government mandates simply do not work.
Earlier this week the CDC changed to definition of vaccine immunity from something that prevents disease to something that lessens the effect of the disease. Put simply the CDC declared that the jab was no longer a vaccine but a therapeutic given in advance of getting the disease.
All fair points and received. So far so good on vaccine coverage from my family and fellow church members but not so by others not vaccinated. Thus my perspective
We all have to make our decisions based on our perspective and individual knowledge of what has occurred in our lives and those around us.
I think what irritates me the most about the whole controversy is the assumption of facts not in evidence, the so-called "facts" that the evidence directly contradicts.
"Unvaccinated" does not mean "infected with Covid"...there is natural immunity to consider, and the obvious fact that there is no vaccine for children under 12. (By their reasoning, all children are therefore "carriers" of Covid, as they have not been vaccinated, and should therefore be quarantined until they reach age 12.)
And, "vaccinated", in this case, obviously does not confer either immunity or the inability to transmit the virus.
Yet, daily, I read screeds on social media demanding that the "unvaccinated" be held responsible, and even "prosecuted" for any new Covid cases...when the reality is that a vaccinated person could just as easily infect another vaccinated person, or an unvaccinated person...and that fact is blatantly ignored.
It's illogical. And I do believe it's more about control than it is "health".
I hope and pray we can survive this present administration and that the 2022 and 2024 elections will bring needed relief and sanity to our governing process.
"We have been patient, but our patience is wearing thin...." Talk about an "us versus them" comment! And once again no consideration is given to acquired (natural) immunity. You're right Erick, it's unconstitutional and Biden's admin knows it - I told my wife as much immediately after the announcement - but it will give those corporations who were on the fence an excuse to mandate vaccines until it is successfully challenged in court. And then there are the subsequent appeals, all of which take time. Dictatorial? Hell yes! Yet Trump is the fascist, Trump is the Nazi. The level of brazen ignorance displayed by the "enlightened" and "academically superior" in this country is stunning. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat its failures, and every despotic ruler has come to power using the very same tactics progressives repeatedly push upon us all. But we are reassured that somehow it'll be different this time. Sure it will, comrade.
Biden stated that the unvaccinated are endangering the vaccinated. How exactly does that work if the vaccines work as claimed? What was missing from his diatribe and has been missing from everything said by the government regarding vaccination rates is the 100,000,000 or so who have natural immunity. I suspect that this comprises the largest portion of the great unvaccinated.
“ Whatever happened to “my body, my choice?” For those saying the unvaccinated can kill others, an abortion literally and scientifically kills another human being. The double standard is amazing.”. Excellent point! Thank you.
Harris was railing about "my body my choice" just yesterday...
President Biden's team seems to have found the solution to his incoherent thought processes. My guess is 5:00 will be "his time" for all future pressers. He appears to suffer from "Sundowning" syndrome. In the 5:00 hour he reads better and loses his train of thought less. It does not surprise me no one in the media is talking about it anymore. As for the voting public, I'm not confident people will still vote for freedom when they can vote for cradle to grave subsistence. Good luck America. This is so troubling to me.
Government "mandates" are counterproductive. People should have the common sense and personal responsibility to get vaccinated to protect their neighbor and to end this plague. But that's not how it works in today's post-modern, post-Christian society. The more Sleepy Joe talks about it the less likely almost anybody in my former "tribe" will get the shot.
P.S. Oddly enough, if Trump would have won all this would be bass-ackwards and it would be the Democrats in open rebellion about the "Trump vaccine."
"People Are Stupid"
A year ago...from that paragon of truth, CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/health/eua-coronavirus-vaccine-history/index.html
https://twitter.com/i/status/1436301300287823875 Dan Purdy
I have a number or airline pilot friends. They refuse to get the vaccine because of the possibility of developing a side reaction from the poke. Such a reaction, while rare, could result in the loss of their "medical" and thus end their flying career. Many have told their employers through the pilots union that they will simply retire and fly in another capacity.
Biden will use OHSA to impose the mandate. Not sure if that is constitutional but the courts will decide. I am vaccinated, but that was my choice. I looked at the risk vs benefit of getting it or not. One big incentive, was get the shot and get back to normal. No masks, distancing unless you chose to do so. The administration, CDC etc blew that out of the water.
This administration has weaponized the DOJ, with baseless law suits because they did not like a law or they wanted another statue. Only hope that in 2 and 4 years from now another administration can undo the carnage that this administration is imposing.
Highly question whether public opinion will be with Biden. Highly questionable…
As a Republic and NOT a libertarian democracy, we citizens widely support the legitimacy of our government imposing restrictions on our behavior that protect the community, e.g., traffic laws, clean food and water laws and the vaccination of school children. The vaccination of all appropriate individuals during a deadly pandemic is no different. Heck, the draft is still a law, enabling the feds to forcibly put my male children in uniform, hand them rifles, and drive them over a hill to face the withering gunfire of an adversary during times of national emergency.
The other side of this argument is just this: should vaccines and other public health measures be mandated when the lethality of a disease is low? When using the smallpox ruling of 1905 by the Supreme Court supporting mandatory vaccination, we should remember that this disease had a 30% mortality rate! Overall, the CDC published mortality rate of PROVEN COVID-19 CASES hovers a little over 1%. However, using seroprevalence data, i.e., looking at everyone in a population that have developed antibodies without having previously being diagnosed with COVID-19(usually asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic individuals), the mortality rate is about 1/700 for individuals under 70 years of age in Georgia (WHO Research, 2021). And my state does not have a particularly good health profile as a baseline.
My current thought is that mandates should currently only apply to healthcare providers and first responders, and maybe teachers(to protect themselves so that they can continue teaching in the classroom) but not the general public. Enraging a lot of folks over a mandate when people commonly understand that this disease is not so deadly will make it that much harder to effectively mandate vaccination when the next virus to escape from the Wuhan bio-weapons lab is a highly lethal hybridization of corona virus and ebola with a 50% mortality rate.
Why is it no one talks about the immunity that one gets if they have already had covid and recovered? We have had it. My husband had to ask for an antibody test. His results were through the roof and we had covid at the beginning of March. Why should we have to inject our bodies with more of what we already have? I am sure that we are not the only ones in this situation. Maybe we should get an immunity pass that we can flash when someone wants to see our vaccine card.
Well from an independent mindset I am glad the vaccine is being mandated. Way too many sick people in hospitals that will cost us all and many will die. Not everything the administration does is bad and not everything Republicans do is good. Time for all of us to be independent thinkers and support the individual. Group think is dangerous whether you are conservative trumpian or progressive
Brian, I welcome alternative views ‘cause silos are useless. But, I was a conservative long before Trump. Never considered him seriously at all until he stepped in to my way of thinking. So not a trumpist or a trumper just a conservative who found President Trump to be the only choice given Hillary or Biden.
Brian, you wrote: Well from an independent mindset I am glad the vaccine is being mandated." replace vaccine with camps. When does it stop sir? Would you willingly walk into a isolation camp if you were sick? Ask our allies in Australia about their internment camps. You sir, and your opinion are helping end our republic.
TBH i am of the opinion that open dialogue is more productive than accusing others of ending the republic No one outside of Jesus Christ owned the moral high ground. Have a blessed day
Then why not ask Jesus whether to take the vaccine or not?? I did.
nope nope nope
I'm an independent also Brian. Respectfully, I think you are missing the point here. This is unlawful. This is overstep in a massive way. It has to be challenged in court, not for the reason but for the precedent. Too much power in government is centralized these days. This would be a massive power grab, allowing any administration to dictate what ever "morale" responsibility that they feel they have.
I'm vaccinated. I believe if you are a responsible adult that you should be vaccinated and if you have children 12 and up, that they should be vaccinated . But this is very dangerous. Should and will be challenged.
Because of terrorism, the government can pry into your life seamlessly legally. According to Erick, the Biden administration is trying to sneak into legislation additional legislation that forces all financial institutions to report any transaction $600.00 or up.
You can already be legally tracked by the government. And now they are trying to ascertain all of your spending habits. Why? They want your money! And now the government, through the company you work for, is telling you the drugs you should take. What's next? A required DNA test, so the government can tell you what to eat and not eat? Estimate your life expectation, tell you how to live and tax you if you do not follow their protocol? Don't laugh - it isn't far-fetched to see that inside of the next 50 years.
No, if future generations have any shot a free life remotely close to ours, then we have to fight back. Not for us, but for the future of this country.
I appreciate your perspective and dialogue...but how do we pay for all of this expensive Healthcare to treat covid and stop the spread of the virus? Find a better solution and I am all ears
It's the precedent this sets that is so alarming. Anything can now be declared a "public health crisis". "Racism" has been declared a public health crisis, climate change has been declared a public health crisis, militant vegans claim that eating meat is a public health crisis...basically anything that the government wants to, can be declared a public health crisis and mandates can be imposed to force compliance with the preferred ideology.
Six of our church members came down with Covid. All six had been "fully vaccinated" as soon as the vaccine was available to them, which was early on, because they are all elderly. Yet they contracted Covid. Three of them required hospitalization.
A vaccine, by definition, is "a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease".
"Provide immunity"...this vaccine obviously does not do that. So why, I ask, is the government so bound and determined that we are all vaccinated?
How much are the taxpayers spending on the vaccine itself? How much on the administration of the vaccine? How much more will we be paying for the enforcement of the mandates? What happens to those who cannot, for one reason or another, tolerate the vaccine? VAERS shows 650,075 reports of adverse reactions to the vaccines...we're also paying for all of those hospitalizations and deaths.
"One size fits all" government mandates simply do not work.
Earlier this week the CDC changed to definition of vaccine immunity from something that prevents disease to something that lessens the effect of the disease. Put simply the CDC declared that the jab was no longer a vaccine but a therapeutic given in advance of getting the disease.
All fair points and received. So far so good on vaccine coverage from my family and fellow church members but not so by others not vaccinated. Thus my perspective
We all have to make our decisions based on our perspective and individual knowledge of what has occurred in our lives and those around us.
I think what irritates me the most about the whole controversy is the assumption of facts not in evidence, the so-called "facts" that the evidence directly contradicts.
"Unvaccinated" does not mean "infected with Covid"...there is natural immunity to consider, and the obvious fact that there is no vaccine for children under 12. (By their reasoning, all children are therefore "carriers" of Covid, as they have not been vaccinated, and should therefore be quarantined until they reach age 12.)
And, "vaccinated", in this case, obviously does not confer either immunity or the inability to transmit the virus.
Yet, daily, I read screeds on social media demanding that the "unvaccinated" be held responsible, and even "prosecuted" for any new Covid cases...when the reality is that a vaccinated person could just as easily infect another vaccinated person, or an unvaccinated person...and that fact is blatantly ignored.
It's illogical. And I do believe it's more about control than it is "health".
I hope and pray we can survive this present administration and that the 2022 and 2024 elections will bring needed relief and sanity to our governing process.
"We have been patient, but our patience is wearing thin...." Talk about an "us versus them" comment! And once again no consideration is given to acquired (natural) immunity. You're right Erick, it's unconstitutional and Biden's admin knows it - I told my wife as much immediately after the announcement - but it will give those corporations who were on the fence an excuse to mandate vaccines until it is successfully challenged in court. And then there are the subsequent appeals, all of which take time. Dictatorial? Hell yes! Yet Trump is the fascist, Trump is the Nazi. The level of brazen ignorance displayed by the "enlightened" and "academically superior" in this country is stunning. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat its failures, and every despotic ruler has come to power using the very same tactics progressives repeatedly push upon us all. But we are reassured that somehow it'll be different this time. Sure it will, comrade.
We can only hope your 2022 election result prognostication is accurate.
The Democrats are hoping you and Freedom loving voters will be in internment camps and can't vote.