January 6th was bad. People attempted to storm the United States Capitol to disrupt the orderly proceedings of the United States government as it was counting the Electoral College votes for President.
I wonder how many people realize that a deep dive by the FBI usually happens when you are obtaining a Top Secret Clearance and of course a Presidental position . Now for them to believe the Russian Collusion means to me they obviously didn’t do their job during the background checks.
Which means to me they aren’t doing their jobs Initially .Who will take the fall for failure to perform the job or jobs ? Nobody.
Wait, I'm confused. From the portions of the Durham Report that I have read, I definitely missed the part about "how hard members of the FBI worked to bring down a presidential campaign in 2016." Unlike with Hillary Clinton, where the reopening of an investigation was announced to the public, no one even knew the Trump campaign was under investigation until after the election was over.
Seriously. I'm not making an argument here. Rather, I fear that I am actually missing something, so could someone please enlighten me. How does an investigation into whether they colluded with Russia amount to an effort to "bring down" Trump's campaign?
All we hear from the Democratic Party is no one is Above the Law. Apparently the FBI is and Christopher Wray . The American people are owed the wasted time and money for all the lies from those involved. They should lose their jobs and their pensions. Can’t be trusted on anything going forward.
But by the time the dossier came into play, that is not all they had. Not only had the F.B.I. received credible information from a senior official of a close American ally that the government of Russia was interfering in the upcoming presidential election on behalf of the Trump campaign, that tip found confirmation in Wikileaks release of stolen DNC emails, which was entirely consistent with that tip.
Even if Durham was right in determining that the F.B.I. jumped the gun in initiating a full investigation, before all was said and done, there was a whole lot more than just the dossier. Just the sheer number of connections between Russia and the Trump campaign was more than a wee bit unusual, and then there is the fact (established by Mueller and unrebutted by Durham) that a traditional enemy of this country was trying to help Trump win.
Be honest: if the candidate was the self-professed socialist Bernie Sanders, wouldn't you want that looked into? I sure would.
Absolutely true - I hope the report identifies the key participants and I agree with your solution. While I did not vote for Trump and will not vote for him 2024 as I will vote Libertarian. Trump will bash the D's over the head with this report.
If we were led to believe that Russia helped Trump win the 2016 election, why, knowing what we now know, didn't China help Biden win the 2020 election!
You cant print this article and then refuse to acknowledge that a 78 year old candidate locked in his basement, running with the most unpopular VP in history, receives the most votes in history at 4 am in the morning and protects himself with 20,000 troops on during an empty inauguration is ripe with corruption.
If it was stolen, as you think, Trump is best avoided in 2024. He never reformed the FBI, presided over the DOJ and Homeland Security, and had Republicans in charge in Arizona, Georgia, etc. and it was all still stolen. Now, Chris Wray is still there, Biden is the boss, and Democrats run Arizona with Trump hating Republicans in charge in Georgia. Good luck.
Erick, I never said it was stolen. My point: if we are all to believe Durham's report, than we have a right to question nearly every major government event over the past 5 years including the 2020 election. In full transparency I'm a DeSantis fan.
Using that logic, given all of the guilty pleas and convictions that have resulted from the events of January 6th, we have a right to question the law abiding nature of nearly every Trump supporter.
Erick, who could have known or foreseen the level of compromise in all of these organizations? Trump was just a man. These officials were embedded. Trump can't know what's in everyone's heart, such as nominating Chris Ray. Being president requires loyalty from public servants and Trump did not have it. I agree with you, making the 2020 election the focus of 2024 is stupid, and Ron DeSantis and Kevin McCarthy are showing the way forward - competency. But expecting Trump, just because he was the president, to fully understand the forces arrayed against him is expecting too much of any man. I'm not making an argument here for Trump as his mouth creates many problems, and he seems to be unable to learn and change. But the election of 2020 had a huge weight upon it balanced against Trump and that's undeniable.
True. Do you feel they were loyal to the Constitution by lying about President Trump? In my mind they should be neutral in their duties and follow the letter and spirit of the law. That was not done. They are collectively disgraces.
If loyalty to the Constitution means protecting this country from all enemies, both foreign and domestic, then yes I do think they were loyal to the Constitution. Russia has long been a foreign enemy and if Trump was colluding with it, that would have made him a domestic enemy. They may have jumped the gun in launching a full investigation, but if that is what they thought was going on, their duty to us was to look into it. Even while questioning its sufficiency as a basis for opening a full investigation, the Durham report acknowledges that there is "no question the F.B.I. had an affirmative obligation to closely examine" the information that it had at the time, suggesting the active involvement of a hostile foreign government in the campaign organization of a presidential candidate.
If secretly investigating Trump made the FBI loyal to the DNC, how did their PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED investigation of Hillary Clinton not make them loyal to the RNC?
That's BS. They had a duty to assess the legitimacy of the information and they completely ignored that. It was a hit job, plain and simple. If you think the FBI, DOJ and CIA have the best interest of the country in mind, then there's no hope for you.
He didn’t collude with Russia, that was a DNC fabrication. These guys lied to judges to get warrants. Neil, all the lipstick in the world won’t dress up this pig.
Many of us don't think the word "stolen" is correct, but still recognize that the massive cheating by hiding information from the public, interference by media, tech and social media outlets, and states changing their rules even in violation of their own state voting laws did, indeed, create an unfair election not to mention having masses of uninformed voters.
I did not say defund the police. I am a BIG BIG fan of the Blue.
I formed this opinion 2 years ago when I listened to the public hearings on the gymnasts who were victims of pedophiles and rapists. My daughter was a gymnast, so this hit close to home. After hundreds of rapes and molestations, over decades, and with the FBI openly intimidating the girls, only 1 agent was removed (allowed to retire with his full pension) and 1 agent was xferred to a desk job in DC. Chris Wray smoothed it away and said he could not comment due to the ongoing investigation.
Keep the labs and the analysis teams as a federal resource. That’s where the real talent is. Give the States the ability to work together (ie. GBI, Texas Rangers).
EVERY field agent needs to be drop kicked. I have zero respect for anyone with an FBI badge and it would be a cold day in hell before I let them into my home or talked with them. (I feel better now)
I have a very left leaning acquaintance who was with the FBI many years ago. About 10 years ago he said to me, one of the scariest things you can hear is “trust me, I’m with the FBI”. I *thought* he was nuts….
You keep talking the election not being stolen. Technically that may be true but based on all the false information spread by the media, FBI, Hunter Biden laptop and letter signed by former intelligence officers, can we get a narrative out that the election was not stolen but the American people were misled by politicians and government employees to undermine the election process. I never hear this narrative mentioned. Just that the election was not stolen.
Tapper: " To a degree exonerates"........ Also, hard to believe laws were not broken between the National security apparatus and the Clinton campaign, but what do I know?
Hillary Clinton's use of a private server for TS comms is one clear example of illegal activity that should still be prosecuted, imho. Also several FBI folks (esp. Strzok & Comey) should be the focus of civil suits--if not criminal charges-for egregious failure to follow FBI 'rules.' As more details are highlighted from Durham's report, the conclusion that the election was 'stolen' will be even harder to deny.
And nothing will ever happen because if you read through the articles on this Durham gives them cover stating they have already instituted policies that would have prevented this sort of abuse. If you read that between the lines he's reporting the FBI and DOJ weren't maliciously persecuting the political opponent of the party in power. They were just not properly constrained by department policy. BULL$#!+.
I wonder how many people realize that a deep dive by the FBI usually happens when you are obtaining a Top Secret Clearance and of course a Presidental position . Now for them to believe the Russian Collusion means to me they obviously didn’t do their job during the background checks.
Which means to me they aren’t doing their jobs Initially .Who will take the fall for failure to perform the job or jobs ? Nobody.
Wait, I'm confused. From the portions of the Durham Report that I have read, I definitely missed the part about "how hard members of the FBI worked to bring down a presidential campaign in 2016." Unlike with Hillary Clinton, where the reopening of an investigation was announced to the public, no one even knew the Trump campaign was under investigation until after the election was over.
Seriously. I'm not making an argument here. Rather, I fear that I am actually missing something, so could someone please enlighten me. How does an investigation into whether they colluded with Russia amount to an effort to "bring down" Trump's campaign?
My Word Association for DNC is Deceiving Needy Citizens
Although I never vote Democrat
All we hear from the Democratic Party is no one is Above the Law. Apparently the FBI is and Christopher Wray . The American people are owed the wasted time and money for all the lies from those involved. They should lose their jobs and their pensions. Can’t be trusted on anything going forward.
The only one found to have lied was one lawyer who doctored an email. There weren't any other lies, Rich.
The whole Russian Dossier was a bald face lie and they knew it and pursued it anyway.
But by the time the dossier came into play, that is not all they had. Not only had the F.B.I. received credible information from a senior official of a close American ally that the government of Russia was interfering in the upcoming presidential election on behalf of the Trump campaign, that tip found confirmation in Wikileaks release of stolen DNC emails, which was entirely consistent with that tip.
Even if Durham was right in determining that the F.B.I. jumped the gun in initiating a full investigation, before all was said and done, there was a whole lot more than just the dossier. Just the sheer number of connections between Russia and the Trump campaign was more than a wee bit unusual, and then there is the fact (established by Mueller and unrebutted by Durham) that a traditional enemy of this country was trying to help Trump win.
Be honest: if the candidate was the self-professed socialist Bernie Sanders, wouldn't you want that looked into? I sure would.
Absolutely true - I hope the report identifies the key participants and I agree with your solution. While I did not vote for Trump and will not vote for him 2024 as I will vote Libertarian. Trump will bash the D's over the head with this report.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1658488165177643011
If we were led to believe that Russia helped Trump win the 2016 election, why, knowing what we now know, didn't China help Biden win the 2020 election!
I believe you should have also included the AMA in the organizations we no longer trust.
You cant print this article and then refuse to acknowledge that a 78 year old candidate locked in his basement, running with the most unpopular VP in history, receives the most votes in history at 4 am in the morning and protects himself with 20,000 troops on during an empty inauguration is ripe with corruption.
You're right, Larry. People don't vote for a candidate such as that which you have described, but they do vote AGAINST a scumbag like Donald Trump.
If it was stolen, as you think, Trump is best avoided in 2024. He never reformed the FBI, presided over the DOJ and Homeland Security, and had Republicans in charge in Arizona, Georgia, etc. and it was all still stolen. Now, Chris Wray is still there, Biden is the boss, and Democrats run Arizona with Trump hating Republicans in charge in Georgia. Good luck.
Erick, I never said it was stolen. My point: if we are all to believe Durham's report, than we have a right to question nearly every major government event over the past 5 years including the 2020 election. In full transparency I'm a DeSantis fan.
Using that logic, given all of the guilty pleas and convictions that have resulted from the events of January 6th, we have a right to question the law abiding nature of nearly every Trump supporter.
Don't read into this report more than is there.
Erick, who could have known or foreseen the level of compromise in all of these organizations? Trump was just a man. These officials were embedded. Trump can't know what's in everyone's heart, such as nominating Chris Ray. Being president requires loyalty from public servants and Trump did not have it. I agree with you, making the 2020 election the focus of 2024 is stupid, and Ron DeSantis and Kevin McCarthy are showing the way forward - competency. But expecting Trump, just because he was the president, to fully understand the forces arrayed against him is expecting too much of any man. I'm not making an argument here for Trump as his mouth creates many problems, and he seems to be unable to learn and change. But the election of 2020 had a huge weight upon it balanced against Trump and that's undeniable.
The loyalty owed by public servants is to the Constitution and We the People; not to any President.
True. Do you feel they were loyal to the Constitution by lying about President Trump? In my mind they should be neutral in their duties and follow the letter and spirit of the law. That was not done. They are collectively disgraces.
If loyalty to the Constitution means protecting this country from all enemies, both foreign and domestic, then yes I do think they were loyal to the Constitution. Russia has long been a foreign enemy and if Trump was colluding with it, that would have made him a domestic enemy. They may have jumped the gun in launching a full investigation, but if that is what they thought was going on, their duty to us was to look into it. Even while questioning its sufficiency as a basis for opening a full investigation, the Durham report acknowledges that there is "no question the F.B.I. had an affirmative obligation to closely examine" the information that it had at the time, suggesting the active involvement of a hostile foreign government in the campaign organization of a presidential candidate.
If secretly investigating Trump made the FBI loyal to the DNC, how did their PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED investigation of Hillary Clinton not make them loyal to the RNC?
That's BS. They had a duty to assess the legitimacy of the information and they completely ignored that. It was a hit job, plain and simple. If you think the FBI, DOJ and CIA have the best interest of the country in mind, then there's no hope for you.
He didn’t collude with Russia, that was a DNC fabrication. These guys lied to judges to get warrants. Neil, all the lipstick in the world won’t dress up this pig.
Many of us don't think the word "stolen" is correct, but still recognize that the massive cheating by hiding information from the public, interference by media, tech and social media outlets, and states changing their rules even in violation of their own state voting laws did, indeed, create an unfair election not to mention having masses of uninformed voters.
Exactly! Stolen may be too strong a word. 'Bent out of shape beyond all loyal patriotic reason', may be more apropos.
Writing this may make me a target, but so be it.
Shitcan the FBI. All of it.
I did not say defund the police. I am a BIG BIG fan of the Blue.
I formed this opinion 2 years ago when I listened to the public hearings on the gymnasts who were victims of pedophiles and rapists. My daughter was a gymnast, so this hit close to home. After hundreds of rapes and molestations, over decades, and with the FBI openly intimidating the girls, only 1 agent was removed (allowed to retire with his full pension) and 1 agent was xferred to a desk job in DC. Chris Wray smoothed it away and said he could not comment due to the ongoing investigation.
Keep the labs and the analysis teams as a federal resource. That’s where the real talent is. Give the States the ability to work together (ie. GBI, Texas Rangers).
EVERY field agent needs to be drop kicked. I have zero respect for anyone with an FBI badge and it would be a cold day in hell before I let them into my home or talked with them. (I feel better now)
I have a very left leaning acquaintance who was with the FBI many years ago. About 10 years ago he said to me, one of the scariest things you can hear is “trust me, I’m with the FBI”. I *thought* he was nuts….
The NYT basically said “see, we did nothing wrong “
You keep talking the election not being stolen. Technically that may be true but based on all the false information spread by the media, FBI, Hunter Biden laptop and letter signed by former intelligence officers, can we get a narrative out that the election was not stolen but the American people were misled by politicians and government employees to undermine the election process. I never hear this narrative mentioned. Just that the election was not stolen.
Tapper: " To a degree exonerates"........ Also, hard to believe laws were not broken between the National security apparatus and the Clinton campaign, but what do I know?
Hillary Clinton's use of a private server for TS comms is one clear example of illegal activity that should still be prosecuted, imho. Also several FBI folks (esp. Strzok & Comey) should be the focus of civil suits--if not criminal charges-for egregious failure to follow FBI 'rules.' As more details are highlighted from Durham's report, the conclusion that the election was 'stolen' will be even harder to deny.
Now I find the IRS has dismissed Hunter’s investigatory team😖
Given this news….impossible to dismiss the stolen election stuff. Not possible you day?
Since it was Trump…it is impossible.
And nothing will ever happen because if you read through the articles on this Durham gives them cover stating they have already instituted policies that would have prevented this sort of abuse. If you read that between the lines he's reporting the FBI and DOJ weren't maliciously persecuting the political opponent of the party in power. They were just not properly constrained by department policy. BULL$#!+.