A CNN poll shows Republicans would rather a candidate agree with them than beat Biden. Polling may be dubious these days, but we can see this is right with Ron DeSantis stating his position on Ukraine. There isn’t much difference between pro-Ukraine Republicans mad at DeSantis and election deniers. Here’s why.
I support our efforts in Ukraine but see Erick's and DeSantis's point. DeSantis may be causing a meltdown among Left and Right wing pundits but I suspect his middle ground is closer to what the majority of Americans feel about the conflict. The neocon wing of the GOP doesn't rectify their support for involvement for foreign involvements with either their past failures (Iraq) or the resulting fatigue for such conflicts among most Americans. The populist position is that we have problems at home (such as our southern border, debt, etc) we have to focus on before we go around policing the world. The retort is that we can do both at once but then the establishment doesn't deliver domestically. The world is better off with an active and engaged US keeping the peace but we are long past the point where establishments can get a blank check for foreign wars.
I read Trump's written replies to the question on Ukraine posed by Carlson and they seem to be more nuanced than your summary of them. Anyway, Ukraine is a proxy war supported by those who support and have supported all of the other proxy wars and military interventions of dubious intent waged by the US over the past 30 years. How we on the right (or left for that matter) can continue justifying the offensive use of military power in this way is neither truly conservative nor rational. War is always the ultimate human failure. It causes deep intergenerational wounds. It should be avoided at all costs except in the most extreme, truly defensive situations. We need a new political voice with true leadership ability to articulate that message and to extricate us from this pattern which leads reasonable people around the world to see us in purveyors of death and destruction. Personally, I believe that the founders of our nation would be appalled at what we have become--involved all over the world militarily--all the while selling it to our people as in the national interest. It's nonsense and more and more people know it.
And Americans would rather vote against trump instead of voting sanity. So does that mean the GOP needs to trash its morals just to win and then switch back to being a conservative afterward? In the same way dems change into conservatives just before an election and then sprint to the left once the election is over. Or do we put up Rhino candidates again, just to win.
No.
But I do agree we can no longer complain about the improper voting process. Dems have opened this can by allowing unverified Mail in ballots, we need take their tactics and make them regret ever allowing it. The instant a GOP candidate suddenly surges ahead at 2 am after being down for the whole night. Or wins a week later after 1 million votes come in AFTER the polls closed. The dems will ban Mail in ballots so fast you will think it never was.
We dont have to get in the gutter with the liberals to win. We need to take on the media and soften the message so the air doesn't get sucked out of the room by a Trump like candidate.
That poll does not surprise me and explains why the GOP are a bunch of chronic losers. Reminds me of a picture of the British military continuing its practice of lining up to shoot their muskets while the enemy hides behind trees and picks off the enemy one by one, or uses machine guns and flamethrowers.
But you know that GOP sticks to their time-tested principles!
Tucker Carlson sent questionnaires on the US policy and involvement in the Ukraine war to all the GOP candidates for president. Most responded except Nikki Haley. Most had very well formed positions. Pence’ s was 100% uniparty neocon… singing the same song that benefits the US military industrial complex and tends to have the US deep in foreign conflicts. No surprise there.
Their responses are all posted online.
DeSantis’s response impressed me the most. He is against the US spending on Ukraine, against escalation and notes that the US is missing its need to focus on China… the only real threat to US interests. My guess is that GOP neocons will begin to oppose DeSantis for these positions because these positions threaten the money making enterprises that the elite GOP donor class enjoy.
People posture on principles, but it is always about the money.
LOL. Dirty hippies are all liberal progs. I know none that are Republicans. I think you must be projecting distaste for those dirty working class people that do your remodeling and fix you clogged sewer from the large amount of crap you spew.
No: I do all my own plumbing and electrical and drive a 1990 Chevy. I also have three Bronze Stars, and, unlike Donald Trump, know what it is to go to war. Matt Gaetz recently tried to cut off aid in the House - you can look this up - and while his effort failed, most of the people who voted with him were - wait for it! - liberal Democrats. MTG was a small child when the Berlin Wall came down, and has no memory of the Soviet Union: I trained to fight in the Fulda Gap, and I deployed to Honduras in 1987, when the Russians were supporting the Sandinistas.
Gaetz tried to eliminate the troops in Syria that had not been approved by Congress. Ukraine has zero strategic purpose. Neither dies Syria at this point. Syria is more justification to fight Putin because of butt hurt from mean Tweets. It has nothing to do with the Berlin Wall. That is stupid. It is emotionally driven from hate of Trump and a distraction while China kicks our ass. Thank you for your service, mythological or real, but you are not on the right side of this topic with respect for what is good for the US you claimed to fight for. Russia is nothing. But our foreign policy is making a new Axis of power with China, Iran, now Saudi Arabia, Russia, much of South America, etc. against us because we are stupid, media-spin-manipulated sheep following the establishment interventionist narrative that gets us nowhere good and likely results in our needing to fight WWWIII.
I am a very pro-Ukraine Republican who isn’t mad at DeSantis. I can understand his nuanced position quite well. And, as a sign of grace, can we quit using “neocon” as a slur? I’m old enough to remember the original meaning.
I support our efforts in Ukraine but see Erick's and DeSantis's point. DeSantis may be causing a meltdown among Left and Right wing pundits but I suspect his middle ground is closer to what the majority of Americans feel about the conflict. The neocon wing of the GOP doesn't rectify their support for involvement for foreign involvements with either their past failures (Iraq) or the resulting fatigue for such conflicts among most Americans. The populist position is that we have problems at home (such as our southern border, debt, etc) we have to focus on before we go around policing the world. The retort is that we can do both at once but then the establishment doesn't deliver domestically. The world is better off with an active and engaged US keeping the peace but we are long past the point where establishments can get a blank check for foreign wars.
I read Trump's written replies to the question on Ukraine posed by Carlson and they seem to be more nuanced than your summary of them. Anyway, Ukraine is a proxy war supported by those who support and have supported all of the other proxy wars and military interventions of dubious intent waged by the US over the past 30 years. How we on the right (or left for that matter) can continue justifying the offensive use of military power in this way is neither truly conservative nor rational. War is always the ultimate human failure. It causes deep intergenerational wounds. It should be avoided at all costs except in the most extreme, truly defensive situations. We need a new political voice with true leadership ability to articulate that message and to extricate us from this pattern which leads reasonable people around the world to see us in purveyors of death and destruction. Personally, I believe that the founders of our nation would be appalled at what we have become--involved all over the world militarily--all the while selling it to our people as in the national interest. It's nonsense and more and more people know it.
And Americans would rather vote against trump instead of voting sanity. So does that mean the GOP needs to trash its morals just to win and then switch back to being a conservative afterward? In the same way dems change into conservatives just before an election and then sprint to the left once the election is over. Or do we put up Rhino candidates again, just to win.
No.
But I do agree we can no longer complain about the improper voting process. Dems have opened this can by allowing unverified Mail in ballots, we need take their tactics and make them regret ever allowing it. The instant a GOP candidate suddenly surges ahead at 2 am after being down for the whole night. Or wins a week later after 1 million votes come in AFTER the polls closed. The dems will ban Mail in ballots so fast you will think it never was.
We dont have to get in the gutter with the liberals to win. We need to take on the media and soften the message so the air doesn't get sucked out of the room by a Trump like candidate.
I like Heavy "D" for Ron DeSantis
That poll does not surprise me and explains why the GOP are a bunch of chronic losers. Reminds me of a picture of the British military continuing its practice of lining up to shoot their muskets while the enemy hides behind trees and picks off the enemy one by one, or uses machine guns and flamethrowers.
But you know that GOP sticks to their time-tested principles!
Tucker Carlson sent questionnaires on the US policy and involvement in the Ukraine war to all the GOP candidates for president. Most responded except Nikki Haley. Most had very well formed positions. Pence’ s was 100% uniparty neocon… singing the same song that benefits the US military industrial complex and tends to have the US deep in foreign conflicts. No surprise there.
Their responses are all posted online.
DeSantis’s response impressed me the most. He is against the US spending on Ukraine, against escalation and notes that the US is missing its need to focus on China… the only real threat to US interests. My guess is that GOP neocons will begin to oppose DeSantis for these positions because these positions threaten the money making enterprises that the elite GOP donor class enjoy.
People posture on principles, but it is always about the money.
Yeah, I’m only for supporting Ukraine because of the money. You betcha!
Military spending is good for Wall Street.
When was the GOP taken over by dirty hippies? Sure are a lot of them.
LOL. Dirty hippies are all liberal progs. I know none that are Republicans. I think you must be projecting distaste for those dirty working class people that do your remodeling and fix you clogged sewer from the large amount of crap you spew.
No: I do all my own plumbing and electrical and drive a 1990 Chevy. I also have three Bronze Stars, and, unlike Donald Trump, know what it is to go to war. Matt Gaetz recently tried to cut off aid in the House - you can look this up - and while his effort failed, most of the people who voted with him were - wait for it! - liberal Democrats. MTG was a small child when the Berlin Wall came down, and has no memory of the Soviet Union: I trained to fight in the Fulda Gap, and I deployed to Honduras in 1987, when the Russians were supporting the Sandinistas.
Gaetz tried to eliminate the troops in Syria that had not been approved by Congress. Ukraine has zero strategic purpose. Neither dies Syria at this point. Syria is more justification to fight Putin because of butt hurt from mean Tweets. It has nothing to do with the Berlin Wall. That is stupid. It is emotionally driven from hate of Trump and a distraction while China kicks our ass. Thank you for your service, mythological or real, but you are not on the right side of this topic with respect for what is good for the US you claimed to fight for. Russia is nothing. But our foreign policy is making a new Axis of power with China, Iran, now Saudi Arabia, Russia, much of South America, etc. against us because we are stupid, media-spin-manipulated sheep following the establishment interventionist narrative that gets us nowhere good and likely results in our needing to fight WWWIII.
I am a very pro-Ukraine Republican who isn’t mad at DeSantis. I can understand his nuanced position quite well. And, as a sign of grace, can we quit using “neocon” as a slur? I’m old enough to remember the original meaning.
The incompetent Russian jet collided with our MQ-9, not the other way around. I hope the SU-27 crashed also, but probably not.
Not irrelevant to the American drone operator’s career.