I did see the stage article on Apple News, but not multiple iterations of the same article from different outlets like Google News or Facebook tends.
I do really like Apple News front page aggregation. It’s the first News app I find immersive and spends most of my time consuming news in. I find the human ‘touch’ is noticeably more thoughtful than algorithmic trending based on only a combination of analytical, keyword, and geospatial driven delivery.
Hoping they’ll someday incorporate platforms like Substack, allowing users to login to their paid-subs but be delivered within Apple News. (The Athletic and WSJ do a decent integration for paid accounts, though buggy at times.)
I agree with everything you said, but the MSM will roll their eyes at anything you try to point out to them because you capitulated to the leadership of the most unfit, clinically delusional narcissistic demagogue our country has ever put in the White House.
Once again: A shocking number of 'citizens' are so ignorant they wouldn't pass the exam given to new immigrants. These people should not only be discouraged from participating in democracy, they should be PREVENTED from voting
Possibly a new extension from the original voting requirement that one be an actual landowner to vote? Maybe an interesting point to have to prove fitness to vote, but that landowner thing didn't sit too well for very long, either.
No, we have to let everyone vote that is legally a citizen. That's the law of the land at this point. Already anticipating further attacks on that "citizenship" requirement under Sleepy Joe, Nancy and Chuck as the left imports voters in droves...
Well, sort of. As long as "everyone" includes folks that have no voice (i.e. dead), they want all the votes that can be had or manufactured.
If we're talking about live voters, I assume that's a wonderfully sarcastic statement. We already have examples of what real voter suppression looks like from from the left - Black Panther "security" in areas to ensure voters are aware what is considered an acceptable vs. non-acceptable vote, by mere presence and intimidation if not by outright "electioneering" outside the ballot box. I would venture to say that the Dems were actually supporting the stolen election conspiracy theory so R's would stay home in protest. At least that's the outcome achieved... :-(
I wish I had the same confidence that HR-1 would not become law. It has passed the House. I have zero confidence that the democrats won't blow up the filibuster to get it through the senate. The media is about the biggest spreader of conspiracy theories. And I wouldn't bet a paycheck that they won't be able to pass HR-1 and all of their Marxist dream bills.
Are these articles meant to inform or inflame? A conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory regardless of which side pushes it but This false equivalence between these theories and the one that caused the Capitol to be stormed by insurgents is crazy. You still have people trying to say that Antifa/BLM is who stormed the Capitol which is utterly ridiculous. This whole situation reminds me of the spiderman meme when the two spidermen are pointing their fingers at each other. People just cant handle truth anymore. It truly is sad.
I have a number of liberal friends and my best friend has been a political sparring partner for decades...until now. You cannot get beyond the Propagandista's talking points. Calling them "media" belies the idea that truth is what they are about. They aren't and I wish we would stop talking about them as though they really are just good-natured people who've made a mistake. They haven't. If we do not collectively remove their power by stop granting them eyeballs they will continue to shape our country and direct it down a road of ruin and damnation.
You say that H.R. 1 won’t pass. I hope you are right, but I am skeptical. Given the fact that Democrats have consistently shown a degree of party discipline which Republican leaders can only dream of, I would rather not have to rely on a Joe Manchin or any other Democrat Senator to vote against it. And THAT, Erick, is why the November election and everything which happened after it fills me with a deep sense of dread. Despite the impressive gains we made in the House, we managed to lose the Senate largely due to the same conspiracy theories you write about, and that may cost us the Republic as it was designed.
It passed the House. If it passes the Senate, HR127 will pass too. If that passes the country is headed into the abyss. Maybe not right away, but it will end up there, and in our lifetimes too.
So, the Republican legislature in Georgia is considering legislation that will put more restrictions on mail-in and early voting. They are doing so to either: A) create more confidence in the legitimacy of elections, or B) suppress Democratic (and minority) participation. It is so, so unreasonable to see B as the purpose.
400,000 Republicans stayed away from the polls on the run-off elections because they were LIED TO about election fraud, as the Georgia recounts and audits attested to.
No. They stayed away because they had no expectation that anyone with any power would take them seriously and the Main Stream Propagandistas are proving them correct. They refuse to even investigate any claims if only to put that rumor to bed. That smells like a cover up. What it is, is a group that has obtained what they believe is enough power to come out of the dark, into the light and establish the totalitarian control they've always wanted. Soon, very soon, discussions like this will have one or more of us labeled as a White Supremacist, domestic terrorist when we are just debating the events of the day. We are headed to dark times if we let this stand.
There is zero evidence, zero, of significant election fraud in Georgia, per the Trump-supporting, Republican Secretary of State, supported by three recounts, and select county audits.
So, we can expect to hear Stacy Abrams soundly refuted as she uses that line repeatedly. Also, whether you believe it or not is immaterial. Over 400k Georgia voters do believe it. The Propagandista disinformation complex is invested in moving away from any and all allegations of voter fraud....by Republicans. However, they will continue to sing the tune that Stacy Abrams had her voters suppressed when the facts demonstrate a record turnout for minority voters in that election. The double standard so readily apparent in the propagandist complex masquerading as news in this country is why Georgians do not trust these reports. Finally, the loud and resounding opposition to voting reform in Georgia, most notably voter ID, is further demonstrating that the progressive left in this country has no interest in voting integrity. All they want is their narrative, which you are conveniently propping up.
And this is the lie that will not die. Pushing to investigate something that did not occur and using it as an excuse to change voter laws. The most ridiculous thing about it is that people are saying that they want proof that there was no fraud when they cant prove that there was. Correct me if Im wrong but doesn't the burden of proof lie on the side that is making the allegation? It is so ridiculous when the folks that claim fraud occurred are asked to provide proof that there indeed was WIDESPREAD voter fraud turn around and say the elections boards need to prove that there was no fraud. Which they have already done, by the way people just refuse to believe it. Republicans have become the very thing that they despise. What happened to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, take your L and come back better and get em next time?
I used to believe that if I was God for a day and had the opportunity to eradicate one class of vermin from humankind, it would be lawyers. I've re-thought that and repented to God for my evil thoughts. It's the complicit media I would eradicate.
I'm not sure that it was all fake news. Much of the time what was called "fake" was really reporting that was not liked. For example, I saw a video on MSNBC of Donald Trump saying somethinh; on Fox News Channel, he called it fake news. I watch/listen to cable channels representing both sides of the political spectrum in order to get balance.
of course it wasn't *all* fake news...but how much fake news does it take to lose your faith in the press? Add to that all the "fact checkers", that seem to now be out of work, and you have a formula for a real mess
It requires a "trust but verify" mentality, and we Americans have become lazy. Both sides sit in their echo chambers and spit insults back and forth.
Civil discourse needs to return so there are reliable places to verify information from either perspective. We all know the MSM "Fact Checker" business is largely populated and propagated by left-leaning sources whose axe to grind determines what to challenge and how loudly to pronounce their judgement.
My primary concern is that without seeking balance, we're just watching or hearing those things that confirm our beliefs whether they are true or not. In the example that I cited, if I had only seen Fox News channel, I would not know that there was evidence that Trump actually said what he said.
If anyone gets their news from just one source, and doesn't think for themself...do some research...they are part of the problem. Trust but verify as @vandalii said above.
Sadly, the "facts" as reported by either side can be skewed so badly that even the verification part is a challenge.
Donna's primary concern is valid - people all have presuppositions. No one comes from a true "neutral" stance. The challenge then is to put our presuppositions in neutral while we examine both sides. And, as I said before, we've gotten lazy. Critical thinking requires a willingness to go into that conversation and emerge from it with a different position. Most go in convinced that the other person has to be convinced (or else my self-esteem is damaged, 'cause that means I'm wrong ;-) ).
As my wife has often counselled me, "Hear to understand, don't hear to respond. If all you're waiting for is a chance to respond, your brain is in neutral (or you have the brakes on hard)". Wise woman I'm married to. Grace of God at work in my life!
"...if I had only seen Fox News channel, I would not know that there was evidence that Trump actually said what he said."
Not strictly true. Fox was far more willing to put forth the entire context of both left and right quotes and positions than CNN, MSNBC, et al. "Fair and balanced" is also not strictly true, but is closer to true than the other outlets for whom TDS was a daily mantra. TWS (Trump Worship Syndrome) does exist, I agree. Would disagree that Fox is as thoroughly TWS as CNN is TDS ;-).
I do drop in on lefty outlets now and again to see what they think is going on and almost without exception it vitriol against conservatism in general and TDS in specific. I would say that the right in this forum is far more tolerant of opposing opinions than any of the lefty forums. We have our share of vitriol, suggest it is a lower rate than the left, however.
".. only now and then"? Why not watch all three equally? Example: Prior to the election, I started watching all three equally because I view politics like a chess game; I need to know what the other side is thinking so that I as a precinct chair can either prevent what the other side is trying to accomplish or to offset the consequences if it does. I saw firsthand the number of Republicans - those endorsing Biden, those forming groups to support Biden, those who left the Republican Party, etc. - so that I was not surprised that Trump lost.
We can stop granting them power by removing our eyeballs from their platforms. "but I'm just one person", yes you are. However, you can do a few other things too. 1) No longer call them "media". That suggests they are interested in truth and they aren't. 2) Stop giving other people credence when they rely on propaganda to bolster their positions. 3) Stop discussing these things with your friends who think the Main Stream Propagandistas are pure as the wind-driven snow.
I did see the stage article on Apple News, but not multiple iterations of the same article from different outlets like Google News or Facebook tends.
I do really like Apple News front page aggregation. It’s the first News app I find immersive and spends most of my time consuming news in. I find the human ‘touch’ is noticeably more thoughtful than algorithmic trending based on only a combination of analytical, keyword, and geospatial driven delivery.
Hoping they’ll someday incorporate platforms like Substack, allowing users to login to their paid-subs but be delivered within Apple News. (The Athletic and WSJ do a decent integration for paid accounts, though buggy at times.)
I agree with everything you said, but the MSM will roll their eyes at anything you try to point out to them because you capitulated to the leadership of the most unfit, clinically delusional narcissistic demagogue our country has ever put in the White House.
Do you have a specific point to argue, or just mad about something?
No, that describes those currently occupying the WH as POTUS and VPOTUS ;-)
Once again: A shocking number of 'citizens' are so ignorant they wouldn't pass the exam given to new immigrants. These people should not only be discouraged from participating in democracy, they should be PREVENTED from voting
Possibly a new extension from the original voting requirement that one be an actual landowner to vote? Maybe an interesting point to have to prove fitness to vote, but that landowner thing didn't sit too well for very long, either.
No, we have to let everyone vote that is legally a citizen. That's the law of the land at this point. Already anticipating further attacks on that "citizenship" requirement under Sleepy Joe, Nancy and Chuck as the left imports voters in droves...
"I thought that they wanted everyone to vote. "
Well, sort of. As long as "everyone" includes folks that have no voice (i.e. dead), they want all the votes that can be had or manufactured.
If we're talking about live voters, I assume that's a wonderfully sarcastic statement. We already have examples of what real voter suppression looks like from from the left - Black Panther "security" in areas to ensure voters are aware what is considered an acceptable vs. non-acceptable vote, by mere presence and intimidation if not by outright "electioneering" outside the ballot box. I would venture to say that the Dems were actually supporting the stolen election conspiracy theory so R's would stay home in protest. At least that's the outcome achieved... :-(
I wish I had the same confidence that HR-1 would not become law. It has passed the House. I have zero confidence that the democrats won't blow up the filibuster to get it through the senate. The media is about the biggest spreader of conspiracy theories. And I wouldn't bet a paycheck that they won't be able to pass HR-1 and all of their Marxist dream bills.
The videos on YouTube are also fantastic!!
Are these articles meant to inform or inflame? A conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory regardless of which side pushes it but This false equivalence between these theories and the one that caused the Capitol to be stormed by insurgents is crazy. You still have people trying to say that Antifa/BLM is who stormed the Capitol which is utterly ridiculous. This whole situation reminds me of the spiderman meme when the two spidermen are pointing their fingers at each other. People just cant handle truth anymore. It truly is sad.
Thanks for your comprehensive report.
Democrats (especially those in the MSM) love standards so much they have two sets: one set for them, and another set for everyone else.
I have a number of liberal friends and my best friend has been a political sparring partner for decades...until now. You cannot get beyond the Propagandista's talking points. Calling them "media" belies the idea that truth is what they are about. They aren't and I wish we would stop talking about them as though they really are just good-natured people who've made a mistake. They haven't. If we do not collectively remove their power by stop granting them eyeballs they will continue to shape our country and direct it down a road of ruin and damnation.
You say that H.R. 1 won’t pass. I hope you are right, but I am skeptical. Given the fact that Democrats have consistently shown a degree of party discipline which Republican leaders can only dream of, I would rather not have to rely on a Joe Manchin or any other Democrat Senator to vote against it. And THAT, Erick, is why the November election and everything which happened after it fills me with a deep sense of dread. Despite the impressive gains we made in the House, we managed to lose the Senate largely due to the same conspiracy theories you write about, and that may cost us the Republic as it was designed.
It passed the House. If it passes the Senate, HR127 will pass too. If that passes the country is headed into the abyss. Maybe not right away, but it will end up there, and in our lifetimes too.
So, the Republican legislature in Georgia is considering legislation that will put more restrictions on mail-in and early voting. They are doing so to either: A) create more confidence in the legitimacy of elections, or B) suppress Democratic (and minority) participation. It is so, so unreasonable to see B as the purpose.
400,000 Republicans stayed away from the polls on the run-off elections because they were LIED TO about election fraud, as the Georgia recounts and audits attested to.
No. They stayed away because they had no expectation that anyone with any power would take them seriously and the Main Stream Propagandistas are proving them correct. They refuse to even investigate any claims if only to put that rumor to bed. That smells like a cover up. What it is, is a group that has obtained what they believe is enough power to come out of the dark, into the light and establish the totalitarian control they've always wanted. Soon, very soon, discussions like this will have one or more of us labeled as a White Supremacist, domestic terrorist when we are just debating the events of the day. We are headed to dark times if we let this stand.
There is zero evidence, zero, of significant election fraud in Georgia, per the Trump-supporting, Republican Secretary of State, supported by three recounts, and select county audits.
So, we can expect to hear Stacy Abrams soundly refuted as she uses that line repeatedly. Also, whether you believe it or not is immaterial. Over 400k Georgia voters do believe it. The Propagandista disinformation complex is invested in moving away from any and all allegations of voter fraud....by Republicans. However, they will continue to sing the tune that Stacy Abrams had her voters suppressed when the facts demonstrate a record turnout for minority voters in that election. The double standard so readily apparent in the propagandist complex masquerading as news in this country is why Georgians do not trust these reports. Finally, the loud and resounding opposition to voting reform in Georgia, most notably voter ID, is further demonstrating that the progressive left in this country has no interest in voting integrity. All they want is their narrative, which you are conveniently propping up.
If 400 thousand believe a lie, call out the lie. Don’t pretend it's true.
And this is the lie that will not die. Pushing to investigate something that did not occur and using it as an excuse to change voter laws. The most ridiculous thing about it is that people are saying that they want proof that there was no fraud when they cant prove that there was. Correct me if Im wrong but doesn't the burden of proof lie on the side that is making the allegation? It is so ridiculous when the folks that claim fraud occurred are asked to provide proof that there indeed was WIDESPREAD voter fraud turn around and say the elections boards need to prove that there was no fraud. Which they have already done, by the way people just refuse to believe it. Republicans have become the very thing that they despise. What happened to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, take your L and come back better and get em next time?
I used to believe that if I was God for a day and had the opportunity to eradicate one class of vermin from humankind, it would be lawyers. I've re-thought that and repented to God for my evil thoughts. It's the complicit media I would eradicate.
Right...someone for the last 4 years referred to it as "fake news"...and he was right. The question is, what can be done?
I'm not sure that it was all fake news. Much of the time what was called "fake" was really reporting that was not liked. For example, I saw a video on MSNBC of Donald Trump saying somethinh; on Fox News Channel, he called it fake news. I watch/listen to cable channels representing both sides of the political spectrum in order to get balance.
of course it wasn't *all* fake news...but how much fake news does it take to lose your faith in the press? Add to that all the "fact checkers", that seem to now be out of work, and you have a formula for a real mess
It requires a "trust but verify" mentality, and we Americans have become lazy. Both sides sit in their echo chambers and spit insults back and forth.
Civil discourse needs to return so there are reliable places to verify information from either perspective. We all know the MSM "Fact Checker" business is largely populated and propagated by left-leaning sources whose axe to grind determines what to challenge and how loudly to pronounce their judgement.
My primary concern is that without seeking balance, we're just watching or hearing those things that confirm our beliefs whether they are true or not. In the example that I cited, if I had only seen Fox News channel, I would not know that there was evidence that Trump actually said what he said.
If anyone gets their news from just one source, and doesn't think for themself...do some research...they are part of the problem. Trust but verify as @vandalii said above.
Sadly, the "facts" as reported by either side can be skewed so badly that even the verification part is a challenge.
Donna's primary concern is valid - people all have presuppositions. No one comes from a true "neutral" stance. The challenge then is to put our presuppositions in neutral while we examine both sides. And, as I said before, we've gotten lazy. Critical thinking requires a willingness to go into that conversation and emerge from it with a different position. Most go in convinced that the other person has to be convinced (or else my self-esteem is damaged, 'cause that means I'm wrong ;-) ).
As my wife has often counselled me, "Hear to understand, don't hear to respond. If all you're waiting for is a chance to respond, your brain is in neutral (or you have the brakes on hard)". Wise woman I'm married to. Grace of God at work in my life!
"...if I had only seen Fox News channel, I would not know that there was evidence that Trump actually said what he said."
Not strictly true. Fox was far more willing to put forth the entire context of both left and right quotes and positions than CNN, MSNBC, et al. "Fair and balanced" is also not strictly true, but is closer to true than the other outlets for whom TDS was a daily mantra. TWS (Trump Worship Syndrome) does exist, I agree. Would disagree that Fox is as thoroughly TWS as CNN is TDS ;-).
I do drop in on lefty outlets now and again to see what they think is going on and almost without exception it vitriol against conservatism in general and TDS in specific. I would say that the right in this forum is far more tolerant of opposing opinions than any of the lefty forums. We have our share of vitriol, suggest it is a lower rate than the left, however.
".. only now and then"? Why not watch all three equally? Example: Prior to the election, I started watching all three equally because I view politics like a chess game; I need to know what the other side is thinking so that I as a precinct chair can either prevent what the other side is trying to accomplish or to offset the consequences if it does. I saw firsthand the number of Republicans - those endorsing Biden, those forming groups to support Biden, those who left the Republican Party, etc. - so that I was not surprised that Trump lost.
the social media "fact checkers" also seem to be leftie
Yep. Starts at the top and we all know sh*t flows downhill ;-)
We can stop granting them power by removing our eyeballs from their platforms. "but I'm just one person", yes you are. However, you can do a few other things too. 1) No longer call them "media". That suggests they are interested in truth and they aren't. 2) Stop giving other people credence when they rely on propaganda to bolster their positions. 3) Stop discussing these things with your friends who think the Main Stream Propagandistas are pure as the wind-driven snow.