I searched the web for Average Real Estate taxes paid by Data Centers. The taxes were $10 million to 20 million Dollars/year. New schools and lower real estate taxes for the people. Another article I found on power for data centers discussed ongoing development and actual ready to buy small liquid sodium nuclear reactors that last at least 40 Years and are far safer than current reactors. The smallest one fully assembled is small enough to fit in a tractor trailer container. Instead of water cooling towers, data centers are moving to direct chip closed loop systems that recycle the water.
Well if China can implant Fang Fang into Representative Eric Swalwell sex circle and a driver into Diane Feinstein's senate office for years, a few tic toc adds to subvert our data center productions is a no brainer.
Remember these are both far left California liberals.
I'm with Erick, I think they are the future and like crypto I would rather the US be a leader in setting the standards for this new technology.
Once again I go back to liberal populism, they are making these data centers in their usual mean girls spirit unpopular. It is becoming very popular to be in the crowd against them.
Back in the 70s after a series of accidents nuclear energy became very unpopular. It probably set us back 50 years in where we could have been with clean, safe, efficient nuclear energy. As fast as Elon puts a satellite into space we could have been putting nuclear waste into deep space or on the moon.
So lets take a brief look at progressive causes wins vs losses.
Electric cars for everyone - Loss
Wind farms - Losing
Open borders - Loss
BLM - Loss
DEI - Loss
Biden - Loss
California & NYC - losing
Men can be women - loss
DSA - Historically a loser, will be losing shortly
Obamacare - Loss
Afghanistan - humiliating run with our tails between our legs
Covid mandates and Dr Fauci - Loss
So why in the hell should we think anything progressive liberal states and people do is a good thing. In fact we should do the exact opposite. Their track record if anything says we should be betting for this because most of the things they have supported have turned out poorly....
Data, data, data that is all I hear. Yes, I would like to see AI come up with a cure for cancer but it seems too much of the “data” is used for manipulation of the populace. I hear that some places are looking to destroy paper books and material because they take up too much space and AI/data centers will have it digitally.
Hmmm..destruction of history is a step to state or corporate control.
Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter now as those written words are rarely read by those who should or need to we are now a sound bite society. They currently prefer to get it from the internet and they blindly seem to trust those sources. In finally trying to catalog all my books, mag's, collectibles and things of interest (history on of them) you can see the changes especially in Time Mag as real reporting and actual discourse changed to deliberate bias and propaganda.
Ah, but what if there was no power to run electricity or so little that it has to be used for life essentials. Books would become like gold! Why I have many classics, survival books, how to fix things books, etc. stored in those nice black & yellow containers from Costco.
I have books on just about everything from basic survival to full medical texts, hoe make a forge, science, engineering, food, gunsmithing, etc. plus just great reading. I probably won't be able to use it much as need meds to survive but will be helpful to someone.
This whole area of foreign influence via social media is a problem that seems will only get bigger. I was talking to a friend and neighbor who is a staunch liberal democrat but a great guy nonetheless. He and his wife are convinced, data centers are evil and will destroy our electrical affordability and water supply. When I raised the fact that they are recycling water, and the big Data center companies are investing vast amounts to build independent off grid electric power to negate the delay and impact of on the electric infrastructure they just don't want to hear it. Whether it is election interference, policy positions, immigration, you name the topic, we are inundated with carefully crafted highly funded influencing messages that are against the better interests of the US and there doesn't seem to be any organized way to expose it. We may need to tackle it similar to what we are doing with fraud with dedicated resources and strong counter communications.
Good Morning People well it sounds like the world is out to get us and the reason is America is the Greatest Country on the planet so just why not Enjoy and stop complaining. God Bless America
Discussion is not necessarily complaining. If you do not wish to have a dialogue on current issues, you are more than welcome to skip the comment section.
I don't trust what is real anymore. I don't want someone who is AI trained flying my plane or operating on my brain. But if AI is assisting those people who already have the know how I'm all for it.
Data centers here in Ohio are getting a bad wrap and keeping John Husted from winning re-election. Everyone is blaming their high electric bills on data centers. The local electric companies have been installing smart meters. Can anyone tell me if this is the reason for more costly electricity? Also were they a part of the "green energy" compliance bill that Biden passed? I would really like to know so I can defend the data centers.
Here is a thought, it won't sell Data Centers but maybe the smart meters are actually more accurate and are logging actual use. In Metro Atlanta water meters are old and broke resulting in ridiculas billing issues and the whole system including reading at home meters need an upgrade. Also weather, down here we have been REALLY hot and using more. The green energy stuff also cost to implement they are charging you for that as well.
AI is a massively useful tool in medicine, legal practice, and a host of other areas. The recent bill introduced by Bernie Sanders and AOC demanding a moratorium on data centers until Congress can regulate them is born out of ignorance and their shared socialist adgenda that evil CEOs are behind AI's rise. They make no pretense their goal is to mandate the wealth these data centers generate will be shared broadly by the people rather than the companies that build them, or concommitantly, by CEOs secretly plotting to reshape America's economy. Sounds good on paper, but it's just socialism wearing a different hat.
Typically, they are acting as China's useful idiots.
I've visited two data centers and, yes, there is a hum, but it dissipates after about 75 yards. Every state has laws in place about constructing a nuisance on your land that infringes on a neighbor's quality of life, so the humming problem doesn't bother me. Moreover, these companies have ways of soundproofing their structures.
Congressional guardrails are fine and can be retroactively applied if necessary. Moratoriums that seek to establish more and more government control are not. Thomas Jefferson said, "That government which governs least is best." I believe that.
I also believe the benefits data centers bring to most communities in terms of revenue and new jobs far outweigh their potential, and wrongly perceived detriments.
As usual, Senator Sanders's and AOC's harangue is both tedious and misguided.
Roger, I appreciate your comment, but there is no objective or regulatory scientific evidence that data centers produce electromagnetic radiation harmful to humans.
First, the labs have shielding.
Second, most if not all are dominated by fiber optics.
Third, Magnetic fields disapate rapidly over short distances.
Fourth. Regulatory compliance of high voltage generators insures they operate at levels far below anything that's harmful to humans beings.
Are we really not going to talk this week about Natalie Harp, the Mary MAGAdalene to Orange Jesus? One innocuous line from the Great Senator Ossoff and the entire MAGAVerse is in full biblical meltdown. Apparently, thou shalt not mention Natalie’s name in vain.
Yes, your comments suck. She had cancer and was going to die. She used trump's let them try policy. It saved her life. Ossoff was trying to imply she was his Mistress. Ossoff on the other hand has a larger makeup bill than any woman on earth. The problem with Ossoff is still the same Handsome pretty boy, with terrible policies. Just like AOC.
I don't like Tariffs, but they have spurred industries to build new plants. This was the actual goal not the money. We don't manufacture enough at home. Therefore wealth is siphoned from the economy. Although I'm glad that Trump is always on your mind, trolling you.
Man, you MAGAs are such whiny little babies. (I was going to say whiny little bitches, but that seemed unnecessarily Trump-like) Your Orange Jesus has spent a decade demeaning, berating and vilifying anyone who dares criticize him. But Jon Ossoff says a few words about the exceptionally odd Trump-Harp dynamic, and suddenly the entire MAGAVerse is clutching its pearls and demanding civility. (And yes, their dynamic is exceptionally odd. If you don't believe me, ask Susie Wiles)
Apparently, MAGA is fine with calling women dogs, pigs, horsefaces and whatever else tumbles out of Trump's mouth before he inhales his 3 Egg McMuffins for breakfast, but vaguely allude to Natalie Harp and you disciples lose your shit. Bigly.
I agree the AI overlords completely botched how to roll out AI and the datacenters to the masses, alot of damage has been done. There are a lot of "ghost towns" in GA on life support, there are the places to put the DCs. Now elf has really not been studied indepth on its effects. Correct me if I'm wrong I think there was concerns on birds and whales. They have shown elfs like the "brown note" does cause physical discomfort to humans. I'm not saying the DC vibration is anything to worry about, just that sound does affect things. They just need to build them away from the subdivisions.
One of the problems with AI is that it enables people to fake education and intellect. In the old days we could judge a person's aptitude for a job by how well they could work math equations, or how well they could reason, or how well they could compose their thoughts in writing. Everything now can be faked with the help of technology. Hell, you can't even be sure boobs are real anymore!
The young Americans coming out of our school systems today are ill prepared for life regardless of the existence of AI. They are taught to engage emotions in every argument and cannot compute simple math problems or write a coherent sentence. They spend all of their time with their faces focused on a screen absorbing the nonsense populating the sites they flock to.
No but it does have uses, many of them. What is the old phrase "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water" Parents can raise kids that can harness the AI for more productive uses, adults in theory can be retrained or learn to do better and be responsible. Do you want freedom an innovation and it's risks or do you want everything controlled by polititians and agendas? Liberals were for all AI advancement until they weren't. China will not back down, they are controlling the narrative maybe more DC can help us find a way to take it back!
I wouldn't even suggest that we ban it or anything like that, though to the greatest extent possible I shall avoid it. But if we don't first teach kids how to use their own brains and do things WITHOUT AI aid, they will be the most mush brained mass of humanity in all history. I am personally opposed to letting machines think for me. If, when I am texting or writing, the thing that makes suggestions for words as I write the sentence starts coming up with words, I purposely choose different words.
Education in many states is a joke. This predates the data centers, etc. It is the work of the Teacher Unions "socialist" framework. Politics to indoctrinate your children is their goal. That and ever higher pay.
I was the first teacher in my school to use a computer and data video projector. However, I used it to make my Lectures with Q & A to work better. I kept Politics out of my classroom. They were to learn practical things, not someone's DEI, or FauxWomen (Transwomen) insanities, or claims of Fascist or other political slurs. Occasionally someone would ask a question that had political significance. I would address it directly and also explain why I thought that way. Making sure they underestood it had no impact on grades etc. Versus the forced political positions in classrooms today where teachers can lose their jobs if they don't carry out political aims.
I have had the misfortune of having to review reports written by both college and high school only graduates. Few were able to write coherent sentences, spell or have any idea what proper grammar was. So, yes, I am painfully aware that AI isn't a new and sole cause of the incredible lack of knowledge in the younger generations.
How are we making it worse? AI is here and there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. If you want to judge the intelligence of a person, article or blog, look at it logically and take the emotion out of it. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck. In the words of PT Barnum, no man ever went broke overestimating the ignorance of the American people. True when he said it and remains true today.
Another reason people don’t want the data centers is people don’t like AI, don’t trust it, don’t want it changing how things are today, see the AI slop and the mistakes, and are forced to use it when they don’t want to. It’s being shoved down our throats every which way, and we are being told, “Well if we don’t win the race we’ll lose it to China!” Well, someone better than Altman and others needs to explain what the reward is to humanity at the finish line. Do we need to invest like half our private sector economy into it RIGHT AWAY? Can you show me how it will benefit my life and your life beyond just conveniences?
We all have the choice to use ours, so if it does those are/were probably useless minds to begin with. The human race has made huge strides in everything, we have shown we are adaptable but we are capable of doing ourselves in without a doubt, especially when put excess emotion as our basis for decisions.
The Altman's and Amodei's of China are threatened with jail and confiscation of everything they own if they propagandized against gov wishes. Problem solved!
Here, the greatness of America means we have to refute their madness, if possible.
No wonder the Left proclaims China's system is better. (YIKES!)
“What is truth”? I would like to add “where do you find it”?
Do data centers cause water shortages and higher electric rates or not?
Is Hamas/Hezbollah/Isreal practicing genocide or not?
Which talking head do I believe?
The best location for data centers, solar farms, wind farms, etc. is always the same. Elsewhere.
I searched the web for Average Real Estate taxes paid by Data Centers. The taxes were $10 million to 20 million Dollars/year. New schools and lower real estate taxes for the people. Another article I found on power for data centers discussed ongoing development and actual ready to buy small liquid sodium nuclear reactors that last at least 40 Years and are far safer than current reactors. The smallest one fully assembled is small enough to fit in a tractor trailer container. Instead of water cooling towers, data centers are moving to direct chip closed loop systems that recycle the water.
Well if China can implant Fang Fang into Representative Eric Swalwell sex circle and a driver into Diane Feinstein's senate office for years, a few tic toc adds to subvert our data center productions is a no brainer.
Remember these are both far left California liberals.
I'm with Erick, I think they are the future and like crypto I would rather the US be a leader in setting the standards for this new technology.
Once again I go back to liberal populism, they are making these data centers in their usual mean girls spirit unpopular. It is becoming very popular to be in the crowd against them.
Back in the 70s after a series of accidents nuclear energy became very unpopular. It probably set us back 50 years in where we could have been with clean, safe, efficient nuclear energy. As fast as Elon puts a satellite into space we could have been putting nuclear waste into deep space or on the moon.
So lets take a brief look at progressive causes wins vs losses.
Electric cars for everyone - Loss
Wind farms - Losing
Open borders - Loss
BLM - Loss
DEI - Loss
Biden - Loss
California & NYC - losing
Men can be women - loss
DSA - Historically a loser, will be losing shortly
Obamacare - Loss
Afghanistan - humiliating run with our tails between our legs
Covid mandates and Dr Fauci - Loss
So why in the hell should we think anything progressive liberal states and people do is a good thing. In fact we should do the exact opposite. Their track record if anything says we should be betting for this because most of the things they have supported have turned out poorly....
Data, data, data that is all I hear. Yes, I would like to see AI come up with a cure for cancer but it seems too much of the “data” is used for manipulation of the populace. I hear that some places are looking to destroy paper books and material because they take up too much space and AI/data centers will have it digitally.
Hmmm..destruction of history is a step to state or corporate control.
Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter now as those written words are rarely read by those who should or need to we are now a sound bite society. They currently prefer to get it from the internet and they blindly seem to trust those sources. In finally trying to catalog all my books, mag's, collectibles and things of interest (history on of them) you can see the changes especially in Time Mag as real reporting and actual discourse changed to deliberate bias and propaganda.
Ah, but what if there was no power to run electricity or so little that it has to be used for life essentials. Books would become like gold! Why I have many classics, survival books, how to fix things books, etc. stored in those nice black & yellow containers from Costco.
I have books on just about everything from basic survival to full medical texts, hoe make a forge, science, engineering, food, gunsmithing, etc. plus just great reading. I probably won't be able to use it much as need meds to survive but will be helpful to someone.
Well, words press printed with ink on paper had a good run. About 575 years, I think.
This whole area of foreign influence via social media is a problem that seems will only get bigger. I was talking to a friend and neighbor who is a staunch liberal democrat but a great guy nonetheless. He and his wife are convinced, data centers are evil and will destroy our electrical affordability and water supply. When I raised the fact that they are recycling water, and the big Data center companies are investing vast amounts to build independent off grid electric power to negate the delay and impact of on the electric infrastructure they just don't want to hear it. Whether it is election interference, policy positions, immigration, you name the topic, we are inundated with carefully crafted highly funded influencing messages that are against the better interests of the US and there doesn't seem to be any organized way to expose it. We may need to tackle it similar to what we are doing with fraud with dedicated resources and strong counter communications.
Good Morning People well it sounds like the world is out to get us and the reason is America is the Greatest Country on the planet so just why not Enjoy and stop complaining. God Bless America
Discussion is not necessarily complaining. If you do not wish to have a dialogue on current issues, you are more than welcome to skip the comment section.
I don't trust what is real anymore. I don't want someone who is AI trained flying my plane or operating on my brain. But if AI is assisting those people who already have the know how I'm all for it.
Data centers here in Ohio are getting a bad wrap and keeping John Husted from winning re-election. Everyone is blaming their high electric bills on data centers. The local electric companies have been installing smart meters. Can anyone tell me if this is the reason for more costly electricity? Also were they a part of the "green energy" compliance bill that Biden passed? I would really like to know so I can defend the data centers.
Here is a thought, it won't sell Data Centers but maybe the smart meters are actually more accurate and are logging actual use. In Metro Atlanta water meters are old and broke resulting in ridiculas billing issues and the whole system including reading at home meters need an upgrade. Also weather, down here we have been REALLY hot and using more. The green energy stuff also cost to implement they are charging you for that as well.
AI is a massively useful tool in medicine, legal practice, and a host of other areas. The recent bill introduced by Bernie Sanders and AOC demanding a moratorium on data centers until Congress can regulate them is born out of ignorance and their shared socialist adgenda that evil CEOs are behind AI's rise. They make no pretense their goal is to mandate the wealth these data centers generate will be shared broadly by the people rather than the companies that build them, or concommitantly, by CEOs secretly plotting to reshape America's economy. Sounds good on paper, but it's just socialism wearing a different hat.
Typically, they are acting as China's useful idiots.
I've visited two data centers and, yes, there is a hum, but it dissipates after about 75 yards. Every state has laws in place about constructing a nuisance on your land that infringes on a neighbor's quality of life, so the humming problem doesn't bother me. Moreover, these companies have ways of soundproofing their structures.
Congressional guardrails are fine and can be retroactively applied if necessary. Moratoriums that seek to establish more and more government control are not. Thomas Jefferson said, "That government which governs least is best." I believe that.
I also believe the benefits data centers bring to most communities in terms of revenue and new jobs far outweigh their potential, and wrongly perceived detriments.
As usual, Senator Sanders's and AOC's harangue is both tedious and misguided.
You cannot hear the EMF pollution that emanates from these centers. But your body and brain will slowly react to its deleterious effect.
Roger, I appreciate your comment, but there is no objective or regulatory scientific evidence that data centers produce electromagnetic radiation harmful to humans.
First, the labs have shielding.
Second, most if not all are dominated by fiber optics.
Third, Magnetic fields disapate rapidly over short distances.
Fourth. Regulatory compliance of high voltage generators insures they operate at levels far below anything that's harmful to humans beings.
Hope that helps.
Are we really not going to talk this week about Natalie Harp, the Mary MAGAdalene to Orange Jesus? One innocuous line from the Great Senator Ossoff and the entire MAGAVerse is in full biblical meltdown. Apparently, thou shalt not mention Natalie’s name in vain.
Yes, your comments suck. She had cancer and was going to die. She used trump's let them try policy. It saved her life. Ossoff was trying to imply she was his Mistress. Ossoff on the other hand has a larger makeup bill than any woman on earth. The problem with Ossoff is still the same Handsome pretty boy, with terrible policies. Just like AOC.
I don't like Tariffs, but they have spurred industries to build new plants. This was the actual goal not the money. We don't manufacture enough at home. Therefore wealth is siphoned from the economy. Although I'm glad that Trump is always on your mind, trolling you.
Man, you MAGAs are such whiny little babies. (I was going to say whiny little bitches, but that seemed unnecessarily Trump-like) Your Orange Jesus has spent a decade demeaning, berating and vilifying anyone who dares criticize him. But Jon Ossoff says a few words about the exceptionally odd Trump-Harp dynamic, and suddenly the entire MAGAVerse is clutching its pearls and demanding civility. (And yes, their dynamic is exceptionally odd. If you don't believe me, ask Susie Wiles)
Apparently, MAGA is fine with calling women dogs, pigs, horsefaces and whatever else tumbles out of Trump's mouth before he inhales his 3 Egg McMuffins for breakfast, but vaguely allude to Natalie Harp and you disciples lose your shit. Bigly.
"these weirdo evil clowns who, in another life, would be luring your children into sewers with red balloons."
The phrase that pays today.
This post alone is worth the price of admission.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I agree the AI overlords completely botched how to roll out AI and the datacenters to the masses, alot of damage has been done. There are a lot of "ghost towns" in GA on life support, there are the places to put the DCs. Now elf has really not been studied indepth on its effects. Correct me if I'm wrong I think there was concerns on birds and whales. They have shown elfs like the "brown note" does cause physical discomfort to humans. I'm not saying the DC vibration is anything to worry about, just that sound does affect things. They just need to build them away from the subdivisions.
One of the problems with AI is that it enables people to fake education and intellect. In the old days we could judge a person's aptitude for a job by how well they could work math equations, or how well they could reason, or how well they could compose their thoughts in writing. Everything now can be faked with the help of technology. Hell, you can't even be sure boobs are real anymore!
The young Americans coming out of our school systems today are ill prepared for life regardless of the existence of AI. They are taught to engage emotions in every argument and cannot compute simple math problems or write a coherent sentence. They spend all of their time with their faces focused on a screen absorbing the nonsense populating the sites they flock to.
So we should make it worse?
No but it does have uses, many of them. What is the old phrase "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water" Parents can raise kids that can harness the AI for more productive uses, adults in theory can be retrained or learn to do better and be responsible. Do you want freedom an innovation and it's risks or do you want everything controlled by polititians and agendas? Liberals were for all AI advancement until they weren't. China will not back down, they are controlling the narrative maybe more DC can help us find a way to take it back!
I wouldn't even suggest that we ban it or anything like that, though to the greatest extent possible I shall avoid it. But if we don't first teach kids how to use their own brains and do things WITHOUT AI aid, they will be the most mush brained mass of humanity in all history. I am personally opposed to letting machines think for me. If, when I am texting or writing, the thing that makes suggestions for words as I write the sentence starts coming up with words, I purposely choose different words.
Education in many states is a joke. This predates the data centers, etc. It is the work of the Teacher Unions "socialist" framework. Politics to indoctrinate your children is their goal. That and ever higher pay.
I was the first teacher in my school to use a computer and data video projector. However, I used it to make my Lectures with Q & A to work better. I kept Politics out of my classroom. They were to learn practical things, not someone's DEI, or FauxWomen (Transwomen) insanities, or claims of Fascist or other political slurs. Occasionally someone would ask a question that had political significance. I would address it directly and also explain why I thought that way. Making sure they underestood it had no impact on grades etc. Versus the forced political positions in classrooms today where teachers can lose their jobs if they don't carry out political aims.
I have had the misfortune of having to review reports written by both college and high school only graduates. Few were able to write coherent sentences, spell or have any idea what proper grammar was. So, yes, I am painfully aware that AI isn't a new and sole cause of the incredible lack of knowledge in the younger generations.
How are we making it worse? AI is here and there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. If you want to judge the intelligence of a person, article or blog, look at it logically and take the emotion out of it. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck. In the words of PT Barnum, no man ever went broke overestimating the ignorance of the American people. True when he said it and remains true today.
One thing I never do is underestimate the ignorance of the people at large. It is almost as if they have a large flashing neon sign.
Yes, that is why we need them maybe they will have to learn something if they want a job in the future.
Spoiler alert: They're not!
Thank you, Erick, for a remarkable exposition of fact in this post. One unexpected takeaway is that Zuckerberg may actually be a good guy.
Another reason people don’t want the data centers is people don’t like AI, don’t trust it, don’t want it changing how things are today, see the AI slop and the mistakes, and are forced to use it when they don’t want to. It’s being shoved down our throats every which way, and we are being told, “Well if we don’t win the race we’ll lose it to China!” Well, someone better than Altman and others needs to explain what the reward is to humanity at the finish line. Do we need to invest like half our private sector economy into it RIGHT AWAY? Can you show me how it will benefit my life and your life beyond just conveniences?
That in a nutshell is the hysteria taking over these conversations.
I think the main benefit is that it will make the human mind obsolete. So, there is that.
We all have the choice to use ours, so if it does those are/were probably useless minds to begin with. The human race has made huge strides in everything, we have shown we are adaptable but we are capable of doing ourselves in without a doubt, especially when put excess emotion as our basis for decisions.
You're on a roll today, SP!
The Altman's and Amodei's of China are threatened with jail and confiscation of everything they own if they propagandized against gov wishes. Problem solved!
Here, the greatness of America means we have to refute their madness, if possible.
No wonder the Left proclaims China's system is better. (YIKES!)