But the Japanese surrendered, only after an Atomic bomb. Maybe we should have shown them exactly what a nuclear weapon could do. But, to be honest, I doubt get would have surrendered then.
We are celebrating our 250th year and many in our Govt & media our calling for Israel to sit down and shut up don't protect your country. Lebanon as excuse BS, it is Little Iran. The real Lebanon wants them gone, but Hezbollah has entwined itself into everything, Govt, politics, finace and uses the people as shields, and like Hamas not afraid to bribe, kill, torture if interfered with. The Lebanese people like the Persians are no longer able to resist. Like the scorpion & turtle, the Lebanese while somewhat forced into accepting them after Jordan kicked them out still thought to help them and got stabbed in the back ever since, literally.
The proof that nothing has changed is that Iran wants more control of Lebanon to attack Israel same as it wants Hamas to. It is very simple those who would agree to Iran’s terms about this are signing off that they are with OK with Israels destruction. Trump at least isn’t deliberately agreeing to that but this mandate in his head to make “peace” no matter what could still accomplish that. Vance and the others have nothing to hide behind. That the US turning on them after the lives they have saved around the world because of their advances in security & protection plus all the intel from improvements by them developed shared or sold is disgusting. Massive hypocrisy to all these countries/states/cities boycotting them the majority of which have not stopped and even added new contracts “under the table” One company Cellebrite forensics used by 150 countries (USA) and over 60k agencies (FBI) by law enforcement not going away anytime soon. protect yourselves. Unbelievable!
The New York Post just reported that Iran had closed the Strait of Hormuz until Israel pulls out of Lebanon, the US pulls out of the Middle East, etc. in accordance with the agreement just signed. IF true, Trump had better start bombing again or he is going to confirm that he is Iran's bitch.
The two-choice system is a lie in which the Republicans and Democrats are heavily invested;
D v R, Conservative v Liberal, Left v Right, but yet when it comes to statements they make, there aren't any "lies" just nuances and/or opinions.
Erick, you been a big proponent of maintaining a two-party system where the crackpots of both parties actively participate in primaries ensuring the most out -of -step with the American people are elected to represent the party in a general election. The average voter is then told to hold their nose and vote for the candidate of their party's choice because they do have some (if not many) of the traits/positions that the average voter values. It's nonsense.
As far as the middle east is concerned, Trump and Vance appear to be as dishonest concerning negotiation discussions as the Iranian regime. Bottom line is Israeli/US had the Iranian regime teetering on the edge of disaster but then Trump's attention went to other things and his ego took over any thought process. His comments regarding Israeli and demands that it's his way or the highway display his ignorance to the world and leaves the country weaker.
Obama's presidency led to increase racial tensions in this country and now Trump's presidency is doing the same with antisemitism running rampant due to the ignorance of the population listening to the lies against Israel and the Palestinians. Because once again there is only a two-choice solution.
It looks like the MOU is already being tested with Hezbollah firing rockets and drones killing IDF soldiers and Israel responding with several strikes in Southern Lebanon. Part of the deal requires Israel and Hezbollah to stop fighting and for Israel to respect the sovereignty of Lebanon. Looks like mediators have stopped the flare up, but in recent comments, both Vance and Trump have criticized the Israelis for defending themselves. Learning from Oct. 7th, israel is not going to let Hezbollaah continue to build up force in Southern Lebanon. When this inevitably happens again, will the US continue to stand by our strongest ally in the Middle East or will we kick them to the curb?
Another thought, Americans don't like high gas prices but we also don't like losing wars. What sank Biden's approval ratings was his withdrawal from Afghanistan. If Trump signed this deal to keep gas prices down before the midterm to minimize GOP loses than he may be in for a rude awakening. On the other hand, Trumpism or MAGA nationalism isnt so much an ideology but a cult of personality built around a man with no core convictions aside what he conceived as his immediate self interest. Many of his supporters will go along with whatever he says out of personal loyalty but will the rest of the electorate be able to handle the whiplash of being told first that we stand with Israel and that a nuclear Iran is a grave enough threat to justify going to war to now that Israel is an ungrateful ally and it's supporters want a forever war and that maintaining peace with Iran means Israel has to must tolerate getting shot at by drones and rockets regularly?
Also, I'd like Erick to expand more on where he got the idea that Trump was listening to Erdogan in not moving forward with Israel's regime change plan. Intervention from Gulf allies may be a good explanation why Trump decided it would be better to negotiate away a victory in this war. Either way, the buck stops with the President. A clear strategy on how to win, what to do if Iran closed the Strait, or what we aim to accomplish all should have been factored in before the war. Now we're paying the price.
Mr. President I voted for you and had such high hopes for your administration. You started out fine except for the tariffs and what you got accomplished was phenomenal, especially the border and taxes. But now, with the way you have treated Iran and after absolutely everything was going our way, you caved to evil and have betrayed Israel. Israel our truest ally in the world.
Disappointment doesn’t even tho begin to describe how I feel. I’m thoroughly disgusted with you, Mr. Vance and the rest of the Republican Party who absolutely shows no interest whatsoever in this country. I pledge my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor, 56 men swore this when they signed the Declaration of Independence. Are there any in Washington that would do the same today?
Paying taxes…. Fraud and misuse abound, and they just keep taking and giving it away. Especially to our enemies. There is no making this crap up, and we keep voting them into office. Just sick of it
Its partly because of Trump campaigning on "no endless wars" and partly because of a media that is opposed to everything that Trump does that these people on the right hate the steps we took against Iran and now love the deal.
I'd like to think that Trump gave up because of that wailing.
If we are going to let public opinion keep us out of taking care of the serious threats, some of us deserve what we are going to get.
Fortunately, Israel didn't sign onto this agreement.
The rumors I keep hearing are that the government of Lebanon doesn't like Hezbollah being there, anyway. If that is true, I think it would be great if Lebanon and Israel entered an agreement to work together to eliminate Hezbollah from Lebanon's borders.
If Israel bombing Hezbollah to oblivion is the only way to destroy that horrible deal Iran made with Trump, I'd say "Bomb away!"
I am serious. Very serious. Since everyone here is a strategic genius, what is your plan for the Middle East? It’s clear that Trump sowed the seeds in his first administration with the Abraham Accords which the Dems and the media never really noted because they were to focused on Russia Collusion and other bogus BS. Dems and Republicans failed miserably in this part of the world and it wasn’t until the glimmer of mutual economic cooperation lifting all boats offered through the Abraham Accords was conceived did we even have a chance of gaining support from countries in the Middle East which we saw while eliminating Iran’s military in wave two of this effort. So what’s your plan? What would you do? Let’s hear your strategy before you deride polls, the President and anyone else that doesn’t live the hive “Never Trump” mentality that permeats the neocons, Dems and broken media.
Seriously - a Quantus poll promoted by Breitbart is what you are using to defend this MoU? Quantus's methodology isn't that much more reputable than just goint to the next Trump rally and asking people what they think of his last bowel movement with a round of applause?
Do you think most Americans have any context as to what is going on in the middle east /
Do you also believe the reputable polling regarding Trump's approval rating or economic performance or just the polling that supports positions you like?
The President and the United States are about to be punished by God. Those of us who knows the end game knew this had to happen. Those five countries will attack Israel in the near future Ezekiel 38 and 39. There will not be 1 country who will help them only God will. I hate that this President after doing so many good things has turned a blind eye to Israel. My heart hurts.
At the first attack by Russia on Ukraine,, Joe Biden refused to allow Egypt to give Ukraine 5 U.S. jets to protect their border. U.S. was going to replace those jets to Egypt with new U.S. ones. He threatened to withhold $1 billion unless they fired the one investigating Hunter then gave Ukraine hundred of billions to fight a war that never should have been allowed to fester...
It is relevant, did you watch the end of Obama's hootenanny yesterday? Obama left the stage doing air guitar which was cool with Jill following him and Joe was left at the podium watching everyone leave. Jill thought he was having a stroke after his debate with Trump so she took him to Waffle House at 1:00 AM in downtown Atlanta. His decline didn't just start then...
Trump has always been a bully, but the kowtowing coward is a new(ish) face. I wonder what backroom deals have been struck that will personally benefit the elite on the right.
I say this as a longtime conservative who would have preferred to let Israel defend itself with tacit support from us.
When I was in college (a thousand years ago), a professor enlightened us as to the origin of the acronym SNAFU. It applies to US foreign policy regarding the Middle East today.
Vance just got banged with no lube. I knew trump was an idiot, and NOBODY survives a Trump supporting. He will throw you right under the bus and drive it. Wonder how much money was wasted that could have paid the budget.
But the Japanese surrendered, only after an Atomic bomb. Maybe we should have shown them exactly what a nuclear weapon could do. But, to be honest, I doubt get would have surrendered then.
We are celebrating our 250th year and many in our Govt & media our calling for Israel to sit down and shut up don't protect your country. Lebanon as excuse BS, it is Little Iran. The real Lebanon wants them gone, but Hezbollah has entwined itself into everything, Govt, politics, finace and uses the people as shields, and like Hamas not afraid to bribe, kill, torture if interfered with. The Lebanese people like the Persians are no longer able to resist. Like the scorpion & turtle, the Lebanese while somewhat forced into accepting them after Jordan kicked them out still thought to help them and got stabbed in the back ever since, literally.
The proof that nothing has changed is that Iran wants more control of Lebanon to attack Israel same as it wants Hamas to. It is very simple those who would agree to Iran’s terms about this are signing off that they are with OK with Israels destruction. Trump at least isn’t deliberately agreeing to that but this mandate in his head to make “peace” no matter what could still accomplish that. Vance and the others have nothing to hide behind. That the US turning on them after the lives they have saved around the world because of their advances in security & protection plus all the intel from improvements by them developed shared or sold is disgusting. Massive hypocrisy to all these countries/states/cities boycotting them the majority of which have not stopped and even added new contracts “under the table” One company Cellebrite forensics used by 150 countries (USA) and over 60k agencies (FBI) by law enforcement not going away anytime soon. protect yourselves. Unbelievable!
The New York Post just reported that Iran had closed the Strait of Hormuz until Israel pulls out of Lebanon, the US pulls out of the Middle East, etc. in accordance with the agreement just signed. IF true, Trump had better start bombing again or he is going to confirm that he is Iran's bitch.
The two-choice system is a lie in which the Republicans and Democrats are heavily invested;
D v R, Conservative v Liberal, Left v Right, but yet when it comes to statements they make, there aren't any "lies" just nuances and/or opinions.
Erick, you been a big proponent of maintaining a two-party system where the crackpots of both parties actively participate in primaries ensuring the most out -of -step with the American people are elected to represent the party in a general election. The average voter is then told to hold their nose and vote for the candidate of their party's choice because they do have some (if not many) of the traits/positions that the average voter values. It's nonsense.
As far as the middle east is concerned, Trump and Vance appear to be as dishonest concerning negotiation discussions as the Iranian regime. Bottom line is Israeli/US had the Iranian regime teetering on the edge of disaster but then Trump's attention went to other things and his ego took over any thought process. His comments regarding Israeli and demands that it's his way or the highway display his ignorance to the world and leaves the country weaker.
Obama's presidency led to increase racial tensions in this country and now Trump's presidency is doing the same with antisemitism running rampant due to the ignorance of the population listening to the lies against Israel and the Palestinians. Because once again there is only a two-choice solution.
It looks like the MOU is already being tested with Hezbollah firing rockets and drones killing IDF soldiers and Israel responding with several strikes in Southern Lebanon. Part of the deal requires Israel and Hezbollah to stop fighting and for Israel to respect the sovereignty of Lebanon. Looks like mediators have stopped the flare up, but in recent comments, both Vance and Trump have criticized the Israelis for defending themselves. Learning from Oct. 7th, israel is not going to let Hezbollaah continue to build up force in Southern Lebanon. When this inevitably happens again, will the US continue to stand by our strongest ally in the Middle East or will we kick them to the curb?
Another thought, Americans don't like high gas prices but we also don't like losing wars. What sank Biden's approval ratings was his withdrawal from Afghanistan. If Trump signed this deal to keep gas prices down before the midterm to minimize GOP loses than he may be in for a rude awakening. On the other hand, Trumpism or MAGA nationalism isnt so much an ideology but a cult of personality built around a man with no core convictions aside what he conceived as his immediate self interest. Many of his supporters will go along with whatever he says out of personal loyalty but will the rest of the electorate be able to handle the whiplash of being told first that we stand with Israel and that a nuclear Iran is a grave enough threat to justify going to war to now that Israel is an ungrateful ally and it's supporters want a forever war and that maintaining peace with Iran means Israel has to must tolerate getting shot at by drones and rockets regularly?
Also, I'd like Erick to expand more on where he got the idea that Trump was listening to Erdogan in not moving forward with Israel's regime change plan. Intervention from Gulf allies may be a good explanation why Trump decided it would be better to negotiate away a victory in this war. Either way, the buck stops with the President. A clear strategy on how to win, what to do if Iran closed the Strait, or what we aim to accomplish all should have been factored in before the war. Now we're paying the price.
The Erdogan story was reported by the Financial Times and Trump confirmed it.
Thanks! Keep up the good work!
I have read your comments and I agree with most.
Mr. President I voted for you and had such high hopes for your administration. You started out fine except for the tariffs and what you got accomplished was phenomenal, especially the border and taxes. But now, with the way you have treated Iran and after absolutely everything was going our way, you caved to evil and have betrayed Israel. Israel our truest ally in the world.
Disappointment doesn’t even tho begin to describe how I feel. I’m thoroughly disgusted with you, Mr. Vance and the rest of the Republican Party who absolutely shows no interest whatsoever in this country. I pledge my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor, 56 men swore this when they signed the Declaration of Independence. Are there any in Washington that would do the same today?
Yet another reason to stop
Paying taxes…. Fraud and misuse abound, and they just keep taking and giving it away. Especially to our enemies. There is no making this crap up, and we keep voting them into office. Just sick of it
Well I think it’s all just more BS and keeping we the People in the Dark
Its partly because of Trump campaigning on "no endless wars" and partly because of a media that is opposed to everything that Trump does that these people on the right hate the steps we took against Iran and now love the deal.
I'd like to think that Trump gave up because of that wailing.
If we are going to let public opinion keep us out of taking care of the serious threats, some of us deserve what we are going to get.
Fortunately, Israel didn't sign onto this agreement.
The rumors I keep hearing are that the government of Lebanon doesn't like Hezbollah being there, anyway. If that is true, I think it would be great if Lebanon and Israel entered an agreement to work together to eliminate Hezbollah from Lebanon's borders.
If Israel bombing Hezbollah to oblivion is the only way to destroy that horrible deal Iran made with Trump, I'd say "Bomb away!"
Worth reading. Looks like the neocons and Never Trump are on the very wrong side of this MOU.
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2026/06/18/poll-strong-majority-u-s-voters-approve-trumps-iran-deal/?utm_campaign=june19morningnotenonsubs&utm_medium=email&utm_source=iterable&utm_content=morningnote
I am serious. Very serious. Since everyone here is a strategic genius, what is your plan for the Middle East? It’s clear that Trump sowed the seeds in his first administration with the Abraham Accords which the Dems and the media never really noted because they were to focused on Russia Collusion and other bogus BS. Dems and Republicans failed miserably in this part of the world and it wasn’t until the glimmer of mutual economic cooperation lifting all boats offered through the Abraham Accords was conceived did we even have a chance of gaining support from countries in the Middle East which we saw while eliminating Iran’s military in wave two of this effort. So what’s your plan? What would you do? Let’s hear your strategy before you deride polls, the President and anyone else that doesn’t live the hive “Never Trump” mentality that permeats the neocons, Dems and broken media.
Seriously - a Quantus poll promoted by Breitbart is what you are using to defend this MoU? Quantus's methodology isn't that much more reputable than just goint to the next Trump rally and asking people what they think of his last bowel movement with a round of applause?
Do you think most Americans have any context as to what is going on in the middle east /
Do you also believe the reputable polling regarding Trump's approval rating or economic performance or just the polling that supports positions you like?
This Never Trumper never thought he should have launched the war to begin with. Didn't think Bush should have in Iraq either.
The President and the United States are about to be punished by God. Those of us who knows the end game knew this had to happen. Those five countries will attack Israel in the near future Ezekiel 38 and 39. There will not be 1 country who will help them only God will. I hate that this President after doing so many good things has turned a blind eye to Israel. My heart hurts.
At the first attack by Russia on Ukraine,, Joe Biden refused to allow Egypt to give Ukraine 5 U.S. jets to protect their border. U.S. was going to replace those jets to Egypt with new U.S. ones. He threatened to withhold $1 billion unless they fired the one investigating Hunter then gave Ukraine hundred of billions to fight a war that never should have been allowed to fester...
But, but, but Biden.
But, but, but what?
Biden's been gone for a year and half. Not relevant to what Trump is screwing up today.
It is relevant, did you watch the end of Obama's hootenanny yesterday? Obama left the stage doing air guitar which was cool with Jill following him and Joe was left at the podium watching everyone leave. Jill thought he was having a stroke after his debate with Trump so she took him to Waffle House at 1:00 AM in downtown Atlanta. His decline didn't just start then...
I did watch it. Obama is one hell of a speaker, isn’t he?
Trump has always been a bully, but the kowtowing coward is a new(ish) face. I wonder what backroom deals have been struck that will personally benefit the elite on the right.
I say this as a longtime conservative who would have preferred to let Israel defend itself with tacit support from us.
When I was in college (a thousand years ago), a professor enlightened us as to the origin of the acronym SNAFU. It applies to US foreign policy regarding the Middle East today.
Erick - This isn’t over. Quit acting and commenting like it is.
Vance just got banged with no lube. I knew trump was an idiot, and NOBODY survives a Trump supporting. He will throw you right under the bus and drive it. Wonder how much money was wasted that could have paid the budget.