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Joseph D's avatar

And here I was thinking the 2nd Trump term would be better than the 1st. I voted for him 3x and gave him my hard earned money. Yes, in some part to keep Hillary, Biden and Harris away from the levers of power (I wanted DeSantis), but I had expectations of a solid foreign policy, deregulation, a curb in the size of government and more. Not!

In the end, so far (not even 2 years in yet! YIKES seems painfully long) only some efficiencies' around the edges and a curb on illegals, but without bringing in legally workers we need. Stupid.

At this point, Rubio seems the smart choice. Vance is an isolationist and would see us diminished.

Iran is a disaster. My goodness, does Trump think we're all stupid? The emperor has no clothes.

Bob P.'s avatar

Why did the President turn the B-52’s around and stop the bombing, on his last retaliatory strikes after the helicopter was shot down?

Are we that low on munitions?

And why did the President feel justified in responding after this incident, and get upset when Israel retaliated against fifty missiles were fired at them and people were killed and injured?

That doesn’t add up to my understanding.

Frank Hinkley's avatar

Well anybody who trusts or believes anything Iran does is a complete Idiot

Israel Bigelow's avatar

I think the populist post-liberal Roght has a few points worth consideration (the effects of globalization on small towns and local industries/the effects liberal secular values have on the family, etc) but the more I see of JD Vance the angrier I get. He and his ilk are twitter trolls cos playing as the voice of working class Americans. He's got the charisma to conivnce a liberal like Joy Behar to tell him to run for president and he might eventually win provided the Left put a nutjob in his way. In reality, he continues to debate himself in winking and nodding at the at the Alt and Tucker Carlson right. His lecturing to our allies like Ukraine and Israel who are fighting for survival and his trying to sell us on a surrender to Iran shows that to him, America First means kicking out allies to the curb and letting our enemies run the world while we troll the libs here at home. In the end, the post-liberal Right wants us to be more like Europe than America just like the post-liberal Left does. They ignore that the European social democratic model leads to stagnation and managed decline and that will be what it will lead to here as well.

Luna Maximus's avatar

Never heard of the guy, but adore Batya.

I was disappointed that Ronald Reagan didn't take out the mullah's in 1981. I'm disappointed they and their IRGC are still there.

Glen Franklin Koontz's avatar

Ronald Reagan had bigger fish to fry.

Hal's avatar

"When you’re attacking otherwise loyal supporters most people have never heard of through official social media channels, you’re not living in the real world, where most people do not like the Iran deal, think we have put Iran in a stronger position, and Iran is, even now, undermining the deal."

Just a bunch of "bobbleheads", those who nod approvingly of whatever is said without accessing any critical thinking skills.

Proud Patriot's avatar

This Iranian make believe "deal" is nothing more than brown stinky stuff. I don't know who got into the heads of our so-called leaders but it's time to do a brain detox and get back to reality. As we've all said before, any country that lives and breathes a religion that insists on taking out the Gentiles and Jews, has been a global threat for 47+ years, continues to lie to our faces while promising to adhere to a ceasefire, needs to be eliminated. Hezbollah doesn't give a rat's @$$ about anything short of destroying Israel and the United States. Why, please tell me why are they still breathing? To President Trump and your staunch defender Vance, I am begging you to put an end to this stupid and horrifically expensive 'deal', get the Strait of Hormuz opened and end this war once and for all!

Hal's avatar

"Why, please tell me why are they still breathing?"

At this point in time, my only educated guess is that there actually is some major schism in the Iranian leadership between the IRGC and the elected officials doing the negotiation. Also, the Ayatollah still has not been seen in public. So who knows what's going on with the internal politics should he either be dead or (gasp) is agreeable to our demands to stand down on the nuclear issues and inspections.

Ruth MM's avatar

I agree with your "Touch Some Grass" and comments. Trump and Vance need to come back from the Twight Zone (the junk social media) and deal with this reality. I have gotten tired of the Punch and Judy show(s).

Dazed&Confused's avatar

According to Vance, here is the deal:

Arab money, $300B to rebuild based on merit, not US money

Money allocated according to purpose, based on behavior

There are no nukes, uranium will be destroyed onsite, and we will witness it

Sanctions relief only after uranium is destroyed

They will not be allowed near the sites, if they move toward the sites, sanctions and a love tap (bomb)

The blockade will move in when necessary

No tolls on the strait

Iran can sell oil - We can now see who is buying it

China no longer gets discount on oil

We control who does business in Iran

We won’t abandon forces

Hezbollah must stand down

Performance based deal

Any deviation brings military force

Distrust and Verify

I don’t see anything wrong with the deal. The fact that Iran wants control of the money is predictable and why they walked out. What’s wrong with this deal, we control everything they do. Am I nuts?

Eric Strickland's avatar

Trump and Vance aren’t in the real world when discussing negotiations with the Iranian regime, drawing lines in the sand or making empty threats if their will isn’t adhered to. Why shouldn’t it extend into twitter and other social media where their MAGA cohorts can salivate every word and all go down in the flames of glory in the md-terms and build their rage over the last two years of this lame administration.

Tom Furlong's avatar

It is a sign of social immaturity when you lash out at someone who agrees with you 99% of the time for the one time they may disagree. It is getting tiresome...

Unaffiliated's avatar

Especially when one is a public servant.

Tucker Scofield's avatar

We were betrayed by Trump, Vance, and the Republican party just as clearly as we were in 2010, 2014, and 2016 when we were told if we'd give the Republicans control, they'd reverse Obamacare. Politics and politicians are toxic, and both have become our heroin. The real world is what FIFA fans have brought to America and what America has given back to FIFA fans; how BEAUTIFUL has that experience been for all of us?? Leave these loathsome politicians and their lies to Judgment Day and let us instead connect with real people.

Roger Beal's avatar

I'd agree fully with you, if only the political class would take their hands out of our wallets.

Tucker Scofield's avatar

Good point. It's hard to ignore a thief.

Blair's avatar

Agreed - I often touch it as I'm rolling it and smoking it (OG kush) and am happy as can be...

Has really helped in tolerating the ebbs and flows of this admin.

Tucker Scofield's avatar

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

ConservaPublican's avatar

My advice to whomever incurs the wrath of the White House would be to ignore them. Might as well start the lame duck period now rather than wait.

I voted for Trump as he was prefrable to the alternatives but I've never been all in on the guy. Now, given his never ending twitter tantrums the sooner he becomes irrelevant the better.

Oh, and I am quite pleased the "Vance" deal, i.e. the Trump deal if successful, and the Vance deal if not, is falling apart.

Bob Foster's avatar

Sleeping in is a sort of touching grass - good for you.

There was only ever a "deal" if both countries supported it. Iran never did, though Vance has seemed naive enough to believe they did; I may never know what the real reason has been to stop bombing and start paying. Nothing I've heard about it makes any sense. Perhaps the oil shortages in Europe created enough pressure on Trump. But Europe needs to actually have consequences for its long-standing poor judgement on so many issues.

Bill Brockman's avatar

Remember when the speculation was that Trump was deciding between Rubio and Vance for VP on 2024? I disagree that those were his only two options, but apparently that’s what happened. He chose poorly.