I am old enough to remember when Democrats claimed in 2022 that Brian Kemp’s voter reforms were Jim Crow 2.0 and would prevent black people from voting.
I think the one thing that isn’t being talked about is the recent judges ruling blocking the most recent voting rules passed by GA.
One I agree with the other I disagree with.
Hand counting- I agree with blocking for voting. Hand counting to verify will just slow down an already long process. But I agree hand counts should be done as part of audit process after the final count has been done. Not before certification.
There is as of yet a well established method for auditing votes.
Nobody on here can tell me with certainty that my vote was counted and who I voted for. BUT the gov knows how much I’ve spent in Venmo.
The second - vote can’t be certified if there is fraud found.
I agree with this. Reason:
That’s a real loop hole that for sure any liberal could exploit in a country second.
The letter of the law was to vague on what classified as fraud and what constitutes holding up the certification. And the bar was pretty low. Even the suspicion of fraud could bottle neck the process.
So I can imagine a scenario on Nov 5th where a dem could scream fraud and cause GA’s electoral votes to get disqualified.
We don’t need that. We do however need a process to vet and audit the voting process weed out fraud and prosecute those involved to the greatest extend of the law.
That we do need. I get the point but be careful with what you wish for.
Dems are very good at mucking up the process look how they loop holed the COVID situation.
"The enemy within . . . ." "Poisoning the blood of the nation . . . ." Where have we heard that kind of rhetoric before?
Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff UNDER DONALD TRUMP answers that question when he is quoted in Bob Woodward"s new book, calling Trump "a total facist."
I was making two points. The first is that Trump has adopted language that was employed by one very notorious fascist in particular. The second is that it is not some ambiguous "they" that are calling Trump that, but people who having worked for him, are in a position to know what they are talking about.
You see, it's very unusual for former members of an administration to come out against their former boss. I don't know of a single Biden administration official who has opposed either Biden or Harris. By contrast, there seem to be numerous former Trump administration officials who are now opposing Trump. Even his former VP has refused to endorse him.
Ok since we are going that route. Any explanation on why Kamala is using “joy” as her slogan. When that was a Nazi regime propaganda slogan. “Joy is our strength” and she has yet to redact it.
Trumps implied fascism doesn’t rise to the level of the Dems intentionally one.
Yes. The nazis used the slogan “joy is our strength” now given, the nazis used a lot of slogans through the years that have been used. Unfortunately they were great deceivers, like really bad murderous con artists.
But I am serious. The nazis used “joy” as their primary slogan. Kamala and the Dems are using that as their slogan. Make the connection.
Returning to my main point, however, are you comfortable with a politician who, referring not to illegal immigrants but other Americans, talks about "the enemy within?"
Being a big history buff, and being interested enough in that particular part of history to have actually read Mein Kampf, I've also seen numerous documentaries on the Nazis. Somehow, I missed "Joy is our strength" as one of their slogans, the most notorious of which tended to be some iteration of hate.
I am sure people are not going to like what I say about early voting. First its unconstitutional. In the document of our country it says voting takes place on 1 day. 1 day 1 vote.
I hear people say "but what about the long lines..." Well, that leads me into the next bit. It shouldn't be easier to vote. it should be hard to cheat and heavily vetted to vote.
Not necessarily harder. For the lazy voter, yes it should be extremely difficult. I'm sorry, you can't get off your duff get to the polls and vote like our country did for 200+ years before dems decided its a great idea to have mail in ballots and early voting. Then you should not be voting. If your not a person who is willing to stand in line for an hour or more wind rain, or terrorist attack. Then no you shouldn't be voting.
In my world...
In order to vote you should have to present 3 forms of ID, similar to getting a drivers license and a job. Social security proper proof of residency, and proof of citizenship.
Mail in ballots completely banned. Vote in person.
Absentee provided after proof of disability, military, the case of Erick where your out of the state etc. No other reason. No unsolicited mail in ballots mailed out to residents without request.
It should be as difficult to register as it is to get a gun. Background checks etc..
In other words a vote is one the most important things to protect. Obviously it didn't use to be that way but it does now. My life can literally depend on voting and a uninformed voter can be as dangerous as a 10 year old with gun. A fraudulent vote is as deadly as a terrorist attack.
There is only one solution and that is to secure the vote and make voting fraud so egregious it is prosecuted as such.
BUT saying all that. Early and mail in ballot voting is hear to stay. So use it. I don't care if you vote in person on election day or early vote. Vote and vote for Trump. Not because of Trump but to stop the dems. They want you to hate Trump they want to guilt you into voting for kamala. Dont fall for it.
The Constitution provides that, "The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States." Deconstructing the plain language, the day "which shall be the same throughout the United States" is the day on which the Electors vote. "[T]he Time of chusing the Electors" is not so limited.
you are confusing the definition of "election" with voting. The courts looked at this in cases in TX / LA and ruled that the definition of election in federal law involves the combined actions of voters and officials meant to make a final selection, like tabulating votes etc. This is why early votes tend not be counted prior to election day. The act casting ballots in and of itself is not an election according to the courts.
Rep/Dr. Michelle Au has a great post on X that addresses this "logic":
Dr. Michelle Au
@AuforGA
So I think several things are true.
1. Our election workers are doing a great job
2. It is in fact harder to vote absentee (see 2021 laws re: VBM application and #/placement of drop boxes)
3. Voters are well aware of the history in GA and determined to make their voices heard
Among the problems with the post 2020 election bills is that they do nothing to make cheating more difficult. Those bills are driven by what drives most Republican actions these days -- to pander to the Presidential nominee. And what good does that do? And sadly, enabled by Speaker Burns, the State Election Board is an absolute mess. And by the way, today's absentee ballot procedures go back to the GA GOP -- Sen. Coverdell, Rep. Irvin and others promoted liberalization. And the GOP was very good at vote-by-mail campaigns. Decades of work undone in 2020. And today, with the US Mail a mess in Georgia, thanks to the Trump aligned Postmaster General, vote-by-mail is even tougher. Too bad dropboxes are tougher to come by.
Finally, as I've said here before, its tough enough to get people to vote once. Its really difficult to get people to vote more than once. Other than a few isolated cases that seem to involve Republicans.
I early voted in Paulding county today, there were quite a few in line but it went quickly due to the number of windows and to get the card and voting computers. 3 ballot machines were active, the one I put my ballot in made me 2662. As it relates to this story, I saw a mix of race there voting, consistent with the % of county populace...no one had an issue, no suppression to be found.
Most black support voter ID. Stacey Abrams came out in support of voter ID. The only part of the political arena that does NOT support voter ID is the Democrats that know they cheat in the balloting process and would lose that advantage with voter ID.
Just don't suggest a hand-count of the ballot paper trail, to verify that the number of machine tallies equals the number of paper receipts. Metro Atlanta simply cannot handle that.
fellow Americans let me say this about that................in the voting line today I was talking to an African American female. she told me her vote was all about taxes. I did not ask who she was there for. I do not care. I care that she was there to do her civic duty, and I care at one point this year I dared to think I would not vote. I am ashamed of that. good bad or indifferent, we should do our civic duty, and this show was a major influence for me to get off my ass. It is as Spock said, sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. I am just one person, but Arlo Guthrie had a theory about that and Mr. Ericson, you may have started a movement.
And it sounds like another 300,000 voted today, according to WSB radio. Including myself. I was in and out in 5 minutes around 8:30 am at an intown Fulton county early voting site.
I hope this is a harbinger of things to come. You have to believe the more people who vote (legitimately, of course) the better for the GOP. Harris' desperation is being shown daily, so her campaign must be aware of it, and their internal polling is probably telling them disaster lies ahead.
We shall see, but I have become warily optimistic all of a sudden. I can't wait to see how Fox handles her interview tonight. I hope they're civil and polite but don't let her dance around the questions. They need to force her to answer in something other than word salads.
Early voting in Georgia is so very suppressed, that the turnout has broken all records.
***snnnnifffffff*** .....Ahh. Smells like democracy in action to me!
I think the one thing that isn’t being talked about is the recent judges ruling blocking the most recent voting rules passed by GA.
One I agree with the other I disagree with.
Hand counting- I agree with blocking for voting. Hand counting to verify will just slow down an already long process. But I agree hand counts should be done as part of audit process after the final count has been done. Not before certification.
There is as of yet a well established method for auditing votes.
Nobody on here can tell me with certainty that my vote was counted and who I voted for. BUT the gov knows how much I’ve spent in Venmo.
The second - vote can’t be certified if there is fraud found.
I agree with this. Reason:
That’s a real loop hole that for sure any liberal could exploit in a country second.
The letter of the law was to vague on what classified as fraud and what constitutes holding up the certification. And the bar was pretty low. Even the suspicion of fraud could bottle neck the process.
So I can imagine a scenario on Nov 5th where a dem could scream fraud and cause GA’s electoral votes to get disqualified.
We don’t need that. We do however need a process to vet and audit the voting process weed out fraud and prosecute those involved to the greatest extend of the law.
That we do need. I get the point but be careful with what you wish for.
Dems are very good at mucking up the process look how they loop holed the COVID situation.
"The enemy within . . . ." "Poisoning the blood of the nation . . . ." Where have we heard that kind of rhetoric before?
Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff UNDER DONALD TRUMP answers that question when he is quoted in Bob Woodward"s new book, calling Trump "a total facist."
And..
they’ve called Trump fascist Nazi racists and everything in between. We’ve already established trump had bad people working for him.
Point?
I was making two points. The first is that Trump has adopted language that was employed by one very notorious fascist in particular. The second is that it is not some ambiguous "they" that are calling Trump that, but people who having worked for him, are in a position to know what they are talking about.
You see, it's very unusual for former members of an administration to come out against their former boss. I don't know of a single Biden administration official who has opposed either Biden or Harris. By contrast, there seem to be numerous former Trump administration officials who are now opposing Trump. Even his former VP has refused to endorse him.
Ok since we are going that route. Any explanation on why Kamala is using “joy” as her slogan. When that was a Nazi regime propaganda slogan. “Joy is our strength” and she has yet to redact it.
Trumps implied fascism doesn’t rise to the level of the Dems intentionally one.
Are you serious?
Yes. The nazis used the slogan “joy is our strength” now given, the nazis used a lot of slogans through the years that have been used. Unfortunately they were great deceivers, like really bad murderous con artists.
But I am serious. The nazis used “joy” as their primary slogan. Kamala and the Dems are using that as their slogan. Make the connection.
Returning to my main point, however, are you comfortable with a politician who, referring not to illegal immigrants but other Americans, talks about "the enemy within?"
Being a big history buff, and being interested enough in that particular part of history to have actually read Mein Kampf, I've also seen numerous documentaries on the Nazis. Somehow, I missed "Joy is our strength" as one of their slogans, the most notorious of which tended to be some iteration of hate.
I'll have to take your word for that.
So let me get this straight. I can't fly a drone over or even near Sanford Stadium or Grant Field but I can fly a drone over or near a military base?
I am sure people are not going to like what I say about early voting. First its unconstitutional. In the document of our country it says voting takes place on 1 day. 1 day 1 vote.
I hear people say "but what about the long lines..." Well, that leads me into the next bit. It shouldn't be easier to vote. it should be hard to cheat and heavily vetted to vote.
Not necessarily harder. For the lazy voter, yes it should be extremely difficult. I'm sorry, you can't get off your duff get to the polls and vote like our country did for 200+ years before dems decided its a great idea to have mail in ballots and early voting. Then you should not be voting. If your not a person who is willing to stand in line for an hour or more wind rain, or terrorist attack. Then no you shouldn't be voting.
In my world...
In order to vote you should have to present 3 forms of ID, similar to getting a drivers license and a job. Social security proper proof of residency, and proof of citizenship.
Mail in ballots completely banned. Vote in person.
Absentee provided after proof of disability, military, the case of Erick where your out of the state etc. No other reason. No unsolicited mail in ballots mailed out to residents without request.
It should be as difficult to register as it is to get a gun. Background checks etc..
In other words a vote is one the most important things to protect. Obviously it didn't use to be that way but it does now. My life can literally depend on voting and a uninformed voter can be as dangerous as a 10 year old with gun. A fraudulent vote is as deadly as a terrorist attack.
There is only one solution and that is to secure the vote and make voting fraud so egregious it is prosecuted as such.
BUT saying all that. Early and mail in ballot voting is hear to stay. So use it. I don't care if you vote in person on election day or early vote. Vote and vote for Trump. Not because of Trump but to stop the dems. They want you to hate Trump they want to guilt you into voting for kamala. Dont fall for it.
We must win.
Agreed, actually!
The Constitution provides that, "The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States." Deconstructing the plain language, the day "which shall be the same throughout the United States" is the day on which the Electors vote. "[T]he Time of chusing the Electors" is not so limited.
Wrong again.
2 U.S. Code § 7 - Time of election - Law.Cornell.Edu
The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election.
I don’t see “the Tuesday after the 1st Monday plus the three weeks prior to that.”
1 day 1 vote.
you are confusing the definition of "election" with voting. The courts looked at this in cases in TX / LA and ruled that the definition of election in federal law involves the combined actions of voters and officials meant to make a final selection, like tabulating votes etc. This is why early votes tend not be counted prior to election day. The act casting ballots in and of itself is not an election according to the courts.
One last thing -- here's an op-ed by former Gov. Barnes that also addresses the "logic" of this issue.
https://www.ajc.com/opinion/opinion-mr-secretary-please-stand-up-for-all-ga-voters/I4KGAYB4XFFQBN4YKFOKC3EVAY/
Rep/Dr. Michelle Au has a great post on X that addresses this "logic":
Dr. Michelle Au
@AuforGA
So I think several things are true.
1. Our election workers are doing a great job
2. It is in fact harder to vote absentee (see 2021 laws re: VBM application and #/placement of drop boxes)
3. Voters are well aware of the history in GA and determined to make their voices heard
Among the problems with the post 2020 election bills is that they do nothing to make cheating more difficult. Those bills are driven by what drives most Republican actions these days -- to pander to the Presidential nominee. And what good does that do? And sadly, enabled by Speaker Burns, the State Election Board is an absolute mess. And by the way, today's absentee ballot procedures go back to the GA GOP -- Sen. Coverdell, Rep. Irvin and others promoted liberalization. And the GOP was very good at vote-by-mail campaigns. Decades of work undone in 2020. And today, with the US Mail a mess in Georgia, thanks to the Trump aligned Postmaster General, vote-by-mail is even tougher. Too bad dropboxes are tougher to come by.
Finally, as I've said here before, its tough enough to get people to vote once. Its really difficult to get people to vote more than once. Other than a few isolated cases that seem to involve Republicans.
I early voted in Paulding county today, there were quite a few in line but it went quickly due to the number of windows and to get the card and voting computers. 3 ballot machines were active, the one I put my ballot in made me 2662. As it relates to this story, I saw a mix of race there voting, consistent with the % of county populace...no one had an issue, no suppression to be found.
Most black support voter ID. Stacey Abrams came out in support of voter ID. The only part of the political arena that does NOT support voter ID is the Democrats that know they cheat in the balloting process and would lose that advantage with voter ID.
Just don't suggest a hand-count of the ballot paper trail, to verify that the number of machine tallies equals the number of paper receipts. Metro Atlanta simply cannot handle that.
fellow Americans let me say this about that................in the voting line today I was talking to an African American female. she told me her vote was all about taxes. I did not ask who she was there for. I do not care. I care that she was there to do her civic duty, and I care at one point this year I dared to think I would not vote. I am ashamed of that. good bad or indifferent, we should do our civic duty, and this show was a major influence for me to get off my ass. It is as Spock said, sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. I am just one person, but Arlo Guthrie had a theory about that and Mr. Ericson, you may have started a movement.
This is such sweet revenge for that lunacy. I hope Stacey Queen of Earth is stewing in her spaceship stew pot.
And it sounds like another 300,000 voted today, according to WSB radio. Including myself. I was in and out in 5 minutes around 8:30 am at an intown Fulton county early voting site.
I hope this is a harbinger of things to come. You have to believe the more people who vote (legitimately, of course) the better for the GOP. Harris' desperation is being shown daily, so her campaign must be aware of it, and their internal polling is probably telling them disaster lies ahead.
We shall see, but I have become warily optimistic all of a sudden. I can't wait to see how Fox handles her interview tonight. I hope they're civil and polite but don't let her dance around the questions. They need to force her to answer in something other than word salads.