Thank you Erick, Fully agree with you. Just two thoughts:
1. Of course they would get their own 'Trump'. He showed them how effective that can be, and
2. The way you describe the mainstream media defending Cuomo 'no matter what', is exactly the way some conservative talk-show hosts defended Trump 'no matter what', and still do. The way you describe them attacking Trump just 'for the sake of attacking Trump', is the same thing conservative media hosts do against Democrats.
I guess my point is, it is sad that everybody (except a few exceptions, you at the top of the list) just go to the farthest possible extreme. We will not go anywhere that way. We need to be willing to walk towards the center and talk. Both sides have to do it, it can't be a 'they first' thing either.
trump and Cuomo may have similar character flaws, but there is a real difference. The voters! Democratic voters would never make Andrew Cuomo president.
I agree with so much, almost all in fact, of what you write here. But, when DeSantis was prioritizing elderly, in general, wasn’t the CDC saying that elderly long-term care was front of the line? That’s how I remember it.
Cuomo is guilty of a cover-up - even Dems admit that much. He's also guilty of murder - mass murder. Politifact may not be able to discern marked uptick in mortality, but everyone else in NY did. Some of you libs who crouch at top of these comments jump in here and explain to me how Cuomo's orders didn't lead to unnecessary deaths - in the thousands
[braces self] I'm going to give Cuomo a qualified pass on the initial decision to shift covid patients to nursing homes. March was terrifying. People were dying in New York City in droves, there were few treatments, hospitals were overwhelmed. I've talked to people who were there in the city, and public health people here who were dreading hard decisions. Graves being dug. Corpses being burned (despite the wishes of the families) because nobody knew if the pandemic could be spread by the dead. And there were so many dead and dying.
Moving seniors to nursing homes meant that beds were freed up. It was triage. In nursing homes there was a chance that they'd have at least an LPN to treat them.
Cuomo's horrible decision was that the NHs were not given additional PPE. They were not given funds to pay staff. They had to fight with everyone else for ventilators or other treatment. And the owners/managers weren't always prepared to wage these kinds of wars; not all were trained for these kinds of decisions. Maybe nobody was.
Residents died and staff died. And that is Cuomo's fault.
Part of the coverup may have included executive orders that saved the NHs from litigation. Now those families have no recourse.
Gov. DeSantis was fortunate in that the pandemic hit New York first. By the time it arrived in Florida, he had examples to follow. Treatments were being developed. I'm not slamming him for his decisions -- I think all governors are making choices that are best for the people in their states -- just saying that circumstances had changed.
"hospitals were overwhelmed" Not true! Trump provided a hospital ship in the harbor that was never used. Also, the Javits center was re-purposed, but never used. Cuomo did not want Trump to get any credit, and so he let untold thousands die.
Stay on that soapbox another minute and explain how the converted Javits center and converted naval vessel went virtually unused during the time that "people were dying in droves"?
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me. Like I told Merleliz, my information on NYC comes from people I know who live there. They aren't in government. (I live about 90 min away). The chaos and deaths were in hospitals (not field hospitals) and nursing homes. Was the request for field hospitals political gamesmanship, do you think? Or some kind of failure in organizing it all? I know DeBlasio did not come out of it looking well.
And Samaritan's Purse...who came, at the risk of their lives at the time, because no one knew what was going to happen with Covid, at the behest of Mount Sinai Hospital, set up a field hospital in Central Park and cared for hundreds of cases...and then were treated with contempt and scorn, asked to leave by Council Speaker Corey Johnson because "Hate has no place in our beautiful city". Which is ironic, considering that the only "hate" was coming from him.
You're right, there's no excuse for treating the staff from Samaritan's Purse like that. (They worked in Africa during Ebola outbreaks, right? I remember a book by one of the doctors, who caught it and recovered.)
Friends in NYC were grateful to everyone who showed up to help, no matter their faith. But they're not in government or activists; they're first responders.
A friend of mine's granddaughter, just back from missionary work overseas, volunteered to go to NYC, even though she was very afraid it might be the last time she'd ever see her grandfather, who was having issues with his heart at the time.
She didn't go to see him to say goodbye, because she was terrified she might be asymptomatic with the virus (this was in the early days, when they weren't positive about the efficiency of the testing), they said goodbye on the phone, knowing it might be the last time they'd speak, and she headed with her fiancée to NYC to help, postponing their wedding so they could volunteer.
The day they arrived, there was a hateful article in some NYC publication making the social media rounds about the "bigotry and hate" of Samaritan's Purse and how they didn't belong in NYC. Her grandmother saw it, and hid it from her grandfather, making everyone promise NOT to share it with him, because the stress and rage it induced in her, might actually kill him.
Thankful to say they all survived, she came home and got married, her grandfather's heart condition is no worse than it was, and that wasn't their final goodbye after all.
But for me...I've never had such an urgent, vehement desire to smack someone dead in the face with a baseball bat, as I did the day I read Corey Johnson's rant online.
That's heartbreaking. I'm so glad everyone survived. Normal people in NYC were profoundly grateful to those who came to help, risking their lives. It gave a lot of people hope.
Just looked up Johnson's statement and ... I don't blame you for wanting to hit him. Was it so important to score votes then? Couldn't he have been thankful that others were helping? Who cares what religion they follow?
But he's not typical, as I hope your friend's granddaughter found out.
Yes, I have friends in NYC, most of whom were horribly embarrassed at his statements, and even the liberal progressives (yes, I have liberal progressive friends...a few) felt he "went too far".
But that he wasn't publicly and loudly censured for his hatefulness to a group whose only "crime" is believing in the Biblical definition of marriage...IOW, his vile bigotry that he accused them of...took the "carriage ride in Central Park" right off my bucket list.
I should tell you...I'm a very non-violent person normally. I don't usually want to hit people, let alone daydream about it! It was just...knowing what these people went through and sacrificed to help NYC, only to get a kick in the teeth when they were no longer of use to them...well, I'm an imperfect human sinner. Working on it, but that was too much for me.
You give Tapper far too much credit. While he sometimes speaks truth, he is a tried and true Democrat leftist. Read his quote again. Was it pertinent to his point to state "I'm not talking about the seven Senate Republicans who voted to convict Donald Trump: Senators Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, and Toomey"? He is pandering to his leftist minders here hoping that he does not get called out for his "attack on one of ours." Had I wrote this in a paper my writing instructor would have red penned "what the hell does the second impeachment of Donald Trump have to to with Cuomo's dereliction of his duties and responsibilities as Governor of New York?" Tapper is like the kid who jumps into the shallow end of the pool wearing water-wings.
Of course they are...this time last year they wrote a slew of nauseating articles about him being "America's Daddy", "America's Sexiest Governor", they fawned over him like puppies as he shoved grandparents into nursing homes to die. DeSantis saved lives, sure, but...they might have been Republican lives. Can't have that!
Their failure does not put our own in a better light. The GOP rank and file accepted lies on top of lies as fact. If whataboutism is our best defense, we're in trouble.
Thank you Erick, Fully agree with you. Just two thoughts:
1. Of course they would get their own 'Trump'. He showed them how effective that can be, and
2. The way you describe the mainstream media defending Cuomo 'no matter what', is exactly the way some conservative talk-show hosts defended Trump 'no matter what', and still do. The way you describe them attacking Trump just 'for the sake of attacking Trump', is the same thing conservative media hosts do against Democrats.
I guess my point is, it is sad that everybody (except a few exceptions, you at the top of the list) just go to the farthest possible extreme. We will not go anywhere that way. We need to be willing to walk towards the center and talk. Both sides have to do it, it can't be a 'they first' thing either.
trump and Cuomo may have similar character flaws, but there is a real difference. The voters! Democratic voters would never make Andrew Cuomo president.
I agree with so much, almost all in fact, of what you write here. But, when DeSantis was prioritizing elderly, in general, wasn’t the CDC saying that elderly long-term care was front of the line? That’s how I remember it.
Yes Cuomo is the Dems version of Trump. Two New York narcissists; insulting, name-calling child-like liars and frauds.
Cuomo is guilty of a cover-up - even Dems admit that much. He's also guilty of murder - mass murder. Politifact may not be able to discern marked uptick in mortality, but everyone else in NY did. Some of you libs who crouch at top of these comments jump in here and explain to me how Cuomo's orders didn't lead to unnecessary deaths - in the thousands
[braces self] I'm going to give Cuomo a qualified pass on the initial decision to shift covid patients to nursing homes. March was terrifying. People were dying in New York City in droves, there were few treatments, hospitals were overwhelmed. I've talked to people who were there in the city, and public health people here who were dreading hard decisions. Graves being dug. Corpses being burned (despite the wishes of the families) because nobody knew if the pandemic could be spread by the dead. And there were so many dead and dying.
Moving seniors to nursing homes meant that beds were freed up. It was triage. In nursing homes there was a chance that they'd have at least an LPN to treat them.
Cuomo's horrible decision was that the NHs were not given additional PPE. They were not given funds to pay staff. They had to fight with everyone else for ventilators or other treatment. And the owners/managers weren't always prepared to wage these kinds of wars; not all were trained for these kinds of decisions. Maybe nobody was.
Residents died and staff died. And that is Cuomo's fault.
Part of the coverup may have included executive orders that saved the NHs from litigation. Now those families have no recourse.
Gov. DeSantis was fortunate in that the pandemic hit New York first. By the time it arrived in Florida, he had examples to follow. Treatments were being developed. I'm not slamming him for his decisions -- I think all governors are making choices that are best for the people in their states -- just saying that circumstances had changed.
[gets off soapbox]
"hospitals were overwhelmed" Not true! Trump provided a hospital ship in the harbor that was never used. Also, the Javits center was re-purposed, but never used. Cuomo did not want Trump to get any credit, and so he let untold thousands die.
Stay on that soapbox another minute and explain how the converted Javits center and converted naval vessel went virtually unused during the time that "people were dying in droves"?
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me. Like I told Merleliz, my information on NYC comes from people I know who live there. They aren't in government. (I live about 90 min away). The chaos and deaths were in hospitals (not field hospitals) and nursing homes. Was the request for field hospitals political gamesmanship, do you think? Or some kind of failure in organizing it all? I know DeBlasio did not come out of it looking well.
And Samaritan's Purse...who came, at the risk of their lives at the time, because no one knew what was going to happen with Covid, at the behest of Mount Sinai Hospital, set up a field hospital in Central Park and cared for hundreds of cases...and then were treated with contempt and scorn, asked to leave by Council Speaker Corey Johnson because "Hate has no place in our beautiful city". Which is ironic, considering that the only "hate" was coming from him.
You're right, there's no excuse for treating the staff from Samaritan's Purse like that. (They worked in Africa during Ebola outbreaks, right? I remember a book by one of the doctors, who caught it and recovered.)
Friends in NYC were grateful to everyone who showed up to help, no matter their faith. But they're not in government or activists; they're first responders.
A friend of mine's granddaughter, just back from missionary work overseas, volunteered to go to NYC, even though she was very afraid it might be the last time she'd ever see her grandfather, who was having issues with his heart at the time.
She didn't go to see him to say goodbye, because she was terrified she might be asymptomatic with the virus (this was in the early days, when they weren't positive about the efficiency of the testing), they said goodbye on the phone, knowing it might be the last time they'd speak, and she headed with her fiancée to NYC to help, postponing their wedding so they could volunteer.
The day they arrived, there was a hateful article in some NYC publication making the social media rounds about the "bigotry and hate" of Samaritan's Purse and how they didn't belong in NYC. Her grandmother saw it, and hid it from her grandfather, making everyone promise NOT to share it with him, because the stress and rage it induced in her, might actually kill him.
Thankful to say they all survived, she came home and got married, her grandfather's heart condition is no worse than it was, and that wasn't their final goodbye after all.
But for me...I've never had such an urgent, vehement desire to smack someone dead in the face with a baseball bat, as I did the day I read Corey Johnson's rant online.
That's heartbreaking. I'm so glad everyone survived. Normal people in NYC were profoundly grateful to those who came to help, risking their lives. It gave a lot of people hope.
Just looked up Johnson's statement and ... I don't blame you for wanting to hit him. Was it so important to score votes then? Couldn't he have been thankful that others were helping? Who cares what religion they follow?
But he's not typical, as I hope your friend's granddaughter found out.
Yes, I have friends in NYC, most of whom were horribly embarrassed at his statements, and even the liberal progressives (yes, I have liberal progressive friends...a few) felt he "went too far".
But that he wasn't publicly and loudly censured for his hatefulness to a group whose only "crime" is believing in the Biblical definition of marriage...IOW, his vile bigotry that he accused them of...took the "carriage ride in Central Park" right off my bucket list.
I should tell you...I'm a very non-violent person normally. I don't usually want to hit people, let alone daydream about it! It was just...knowing what these people went through and sacrificed to help NYC, only to get a kick in the teeth when they were no longer of use to them...well, I'm an imperfect human sinner. Working on it, but that was too much for me.
You give Tapper far too much credit. While he sometimes speaks truth, he is a tried and true Democrat leftist. Read his quote again. Was it pertinent to his point to state "I'm not talking about the seven Senate Republicans who voted to convict Donald Trump: Senators Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, and Toomey"? He is pandering to his leftist minders here hoping that he does not get called out for his "attack on one of ours." Had I wrote this in a paper my writing instructor would have red penned "what the hell does the second impeachment of Donald Trump have to to with Cuomo's dereliction of his duties and responsibilities as Governor of New York?" Tapper is like the kid who jumps into the shallow end of the pool wearing water-wings.
Of course they are...this time last year they wrote a slew of nauseating articles about him being "America's Daddy", "America's Sexiest Governor", they fawned over him like puppies as he shoved grandparents into nursing homes to die. DeSantis saved lives, sure, but...they might have been Republican lives. Can't have that!
The good news is perhaps he'll never become president now. Ah, if only Donald Trump had run and been elected Governor of New York first.
Democrats have always been hypocritical when it comes to their own scandals. There has not been an honest broker since senator Moynihan
And Republicans aren't hypocrites?? Bwahahahaha!
Their failure does not put our own in a better light. The GOP rank and file accepted lies on top of lies as fact. If whataboutism is our best defense, we're in trouble.
right, so ignore their failures...like they want us to do