Those frontline doctors made a choice to associate with completely bonkers Dr. Immanuel by appearing in the video with her, and they chose poorly. And while many (not all) are frontline practitioners, none are experts in epidemiology.
So, there's "whacked out stuff" and REALLY "whacked out stuff." A Venn diagram on whackyness since Jan 20 2017 would be an interesting visual perhaps even to the point of art.
If I had to hazard a guess, I’d say it was when we inaugurated a supposed conservative who values fealty over competence into the presidency. So, January 20, 2017.
I think the rest of those doctors are suspect as well. Except for an outlier lower quality study or two, the prevailing science has concluded that HCQ is not an effective treatment. The following response to a Yale epidemiologist's Newsweek piece well summarizes the state of the science on HCQ.
And Erick, we agree about the incompetence of the GOP (I'm not going to say "conservative movement" because it's not conservative to ignore legitimate science and rely on the words of quacks), and it starts at the top. Trump called the loony Dr. Immanuel "spectacular".
David French has remarked on the incompetence of our party, and I think he's right: Competence is a character trait, and this party has displayed way too little character in this respect. We have a character problem.
It strikes me that there is , and always has been, a wide gulf between conservatism and Trumpism. The circus act of yesterday was designed to support Donald Trump. As is so common on a daily basis , it turns into the reality show hot mess of the week. Genuine, philosophically based American Conservatism has been splintered six ways from Sunday , so to speak. Ideas like Limited Government, Individual Liberty, Equality of Opportunity, Strong National Defense and Robust Free Market Capitialism seem like distant memories.
Ya notice how quickly the MSM and Social media guys tried take these docs down? Eric i believe there's way more to this than we realize. Lately I've started questioning how real Covid19 actually is. Not saying it doesn't really exist, but, just like flu, people die from flu each year. The deaths are written down and tabulated. Is this covid no more than flu? Also can it be the country got stopped for a nefarious reason? Say, a distraction away from the Deep State to steal an election to stop us?
We need to start acting like conspiracy theorists and questioning what's going on. Every doctor and nurse friends of mine say something is wrong with this picture! They say there's too many false positives in testing, so they sent out unused tests.. all came back positive! This can only mean one thing. Either the testing swabs were sent in contaminated. (Manufacturers not being thorough), the tests were intercepted and contaminated in transit, or the tests themselves are not really accurate.
Or, a combination of all the above?
We the people need to question more! We know now the WHO is on the Chinese payroll. We cannot trust anything at face value because the Deep State has too much buying power! People can, and have been paid off, threatened with jobs, and Trump is right to pull out of the WHO. We need to clean up the UN. But will we? I get yelled at, you aren't a doctor! Ill believe the scientists over you! Yet the numbers don't add up! Who says there IS Covid19? Every time I look, there is China!
Something's funny here. I am beginning to suspect this is a false flag from the NWO people (George Soros and his ilk) to take over!
Semantics here, but why do you call conservatism a “movement”?
I consider progressivism a movement, progressing toward it knows not what. Progressivism is ultimately full of anger, unwilling to accept that we can only be equal when we are equally miserable.
If one thinks of conservatism as upholding the classical literal idea that freedom is what all humans desire and is the condition for which we have historically struggled, then conservatism is more about preservation than moving.
I haven’t had breakfast yet and am preparing my zone defense against both kids this morning, so In addition to being schoolmarmy, my point might have been poorly made.
Some of the doctors there are emergency room doctors treating COVID patients. I have a friend who works in a nursing home as a nurse who worked with 3 elderly patients and they used the coctail of drugs the video was about. All 3 recovered without side effects, the oldest 95. These doctors are trying to get the message out about the drugs they used and the patients survive. Why discourage hope? Why cling to fear when it's hurting more than helping? This whole COVID has been politicized since day one and folks are sick of the so called experts that keep giving conflicting info ever other week. I believe my nurse friend who is on the front line too. If this virus comes to me, I want those drugs these doctors mentioned. Knowing they helped elderly patients, they should help me too, You may not want this coctail but to say we are stupid for wanting hope is as bad as those controlling everything for politics.
Yep, Dr. Immanuel is the only one I heard about. Same with the PCP in Texas a few months ago. Compelling speakers, so maybe that was the point?
You're right, though. Conservatives have to figure out how to explain what they stand for, not let other groups define it for them. (And I don't just mean Democrats.) Why should young people join the movement? What does conservatism offer that others don't? What is conservatism, exactly? Not just what they're against, but what they're for, and how does that look in the real world, faced with real-world problems? Like that.
One problem may be that, to the casual observer, Conservatism means keeping up tradition and going slowly. But if a train is headed off a cliff, whether the train is going 25 mph or 60 mph makes little difference; what is needed is for the train to turn around, or at least to stop. So inflammatory speakers get a platform.
At one time there was a "Christian Government Movement" in the USA. The 17th century Westminster Confession of Faith, written after the Puritans defeated the "Cavaliers," stated that the civil ruler's purpose includes the punishment of evil and the defense of true religion. Sadly people are inoculated against a Christian government by plays such as "The Crucible" and "The Handmaid's Tale." But some of us can recall that when there were "Blue Laws" and the Bible was read in the schools. there also seemed to be less poverty, crime, and despair.
There is no way to defend demon sperm or some of the other bizarre things Dr. Immanuel believes. But the concept that the media would have listened to the other doctors about the benefits they have seen with hydroxychloroquine treatments if she wasn't there is also not true. The media isn't going to broadcast any good news about hydroxychloroquine treatments no matter how many studies find that it benefits patients if used early in Covid treatments ( https://c19study.com/ ) any more than they will run video showing what the Portland protesters are doing to attack a federal court building and federal officers to defend it. As far as the media is concerned, AG Barr is as deep into indefensible positions ad Dr. Immanuel.
It also isn't fair to demean the opinion PCP's and/or Urgent Care doctors. There are many more of them then there are ER doctors and they see many more patients in the early stages of disease than do ER doctors. Dr. Costa dying in a battle to save lives from Covid doesn't change the fact that PCP's and Urgent Care doctors may be very reliable witnesses to the benefits of early hydroxychloroquine treatments for patients, as the majority of Covid patients do not end up in ER's being treated by doctors like Dr. Costa. In addition, he PCP's and Urgent Care doctors likely know more about this issue than ER doctors like Dr. Costa because the benefits claimed for hydroxychloroquine treatments are for early stage Covid patients and patients whose serious problems have sent them to an ER.
More from Dr. Gorski below. I agree with him that HCQ is the Black Knight of treatments for CV19.
https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/07/29/hydroxychloroquine-the-black-knight-of-treatments-for-covid-19/
Those frontline doctors made a choice to associate with completely bonkers Dr. Immanuel by appearing in the video with her, and they chose poorly. And while many (not all) are frontline practitioners, none are experts in epidemiology.
So, there's "whacked out stuff" and REALLY "whacked out stuff." A Venn diagram on whackyness since Jan 20 2017 would be an interesting visual perhaps even to the point of art.
If I had to hazard a guess, I’d say it was when we inaugurated a supposed conservative who values fealty over competence into the presidency. So, January 20, 2017.
I think the rest of those doctors are suspect as well. Except for an outlier lower quality study or two, the prevailing science has concluded that HCQ is not an effective treatment. The following response to a Yale epidemiologist's Newsweek piece well summarizes the state of the science on HCQ.
https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/07/24/harvey-risch-defends-hydroxychloroquine/
And Erick, we agree about the incompetence of the GOP (I'm not going to say "conservative movement" because it's not conservative to ignore legitimate science and rely on the words of quacks), and it starts at the top. Trump called the loony Dr. Immanuel "spectacular".
David French has remarked on the incompetence of our party, and I think he's right: Competence is a character trait, and this party has displayed way too little character in this respect. We have a character problem.
It strikes me that there is , and always has been, a wide gulf between conservatism and Trumpism. The circus act of yesterday was designed to support Donald Trump. As is so common on a daily basis , it turns into the reality show hot mess of the week. Genuine, philosophically based American Conservatism has been splintered six ways from Sunday , so to speak. Ideas like Limited Government, Individual Liberty, Equality of Opportunity, Strong National Defense and Robust Free Market Capitialism seem like distant memories.
Sigh
Ya notice how quickly the MSM and Social media guys tried take these docs down? Eric i believe there's way more to this than we realize. Lately I've started questioning how real Covid19 actually is. Not saying it doesn't really exist, but, just like flu, people die from flu each year. The deaths are written down and tabulated. Is this covid no more than flu? Also can it be the country got stopped for a nefarious reason? Say, a distraction away from the Deep State to steal an election to stop us?
We need to start acting like conspiracy theorists and questioning what's going on. Every doctor and nurse friends of mine say something is wrong with this picture! They say there's too many false positives in testing, so they sent out unused tests.. all came back positive! This can only mean one thing. Either the testing swabs were sent in contaminated. (Manufacturers not being thorough), the tests were intercepted and contaminated in transit, or the tests themselves are not really accurate.
Or, a combination of all the above?
We the people need to question more! We know now the WHO is on the Chinese payroll. We cannot trust anything at face value because the Deep State has too much buying power! People can, and have been paid off, threatened with jobs, and Trump is right to pull out of the WHO. We need to clean up the UN. But will we? I get yelled at, you aren't a doctor! Ill believe the scientists over you! Yet the numbers don't add up! Who says there IS Covid19? Every time I look, there is China!
Something's funny here. I am beginning to suspect this is a false flag from the NWO people (George Soros and his ilk) to take over!
Semantics here, but why do you call conservatism a “movement”?
I consider progressivism a movement, progressing toward it knows not what. Progressivism is ultimately full of anger, unwilling to accept that we can only be equal when we are equally miserable.
If one thinks of conservatism as upholding the classical literal idea that freedom is what all humans desire and is the condition for which we have historically struggled, then conservatism is more about preservation than moving.
I haven’t had breakfast yet and am preparing my zone defense against both kids this morning, so In addition to being schoolmarmy, my point might have been poorly made.
I think it has always been called a movement. It is a group of people committed to the cause through various organizations and enterprises.
a good column, well worth reading
Some of the doctors there are emergency room doctors treating COVID patients. I have a friend who works in a nursing home as a nurse who worked with 3 elderly patients and they used the coctail of drugs the video was about. All 3 recovered without side effects, the oldest 95. These doctors are trying to get the message out about the drugs they used and the patients survive. Why discourage hope? Why cling to fear when it's hurting more than helping? This whole COVID has been politicized since day one and folks are sick of the so called experts that keep giving conflicting info ever other week. I believe my nurse friend who is on the front line too. If this virus comes to me, I want those drugs these doctors mentioned. Knowing they helped elderly patients, they should help me too, You may not want this coctail but to say we are stupid for wanting hope is as bad as those controlling everything for politics.
Yep, Dr. Immanuel is the only one I heard about. Same with the PCP in Texas a few months ago. Compelling speakers, so maybe that was the point?
You're right, though. Conservatives have to figure out how to explain what they stand for, not let other groups define it for them. (And I don't just mean Democrats.) Why should young people join the movement? What does conservatism offer that others don't? What is conservatism, exactly? Not just what they're against, but what they're for, and how does that look in the real world, faced with real-world problems? Like that.
One problem may be that, to the casual observer, Conservatism means keeping up tradition and going slowly. But if a train is headed off a cliff, whether the train is going 25 mph or 60 mph makes little difference; what is needed is for the train to turn around, or at least to stop. So inflammatory speakers get a platform.
At one time there was a "Christian Government Movement" in the USA. The 17th century Westminster Confession of Faith, written after the Puritans defeated the "Cavaliers," stated that the civil ruler's purpose includes the punishment of evil and the defense of true religion. Sadly people are inoculated against a Christian government by plays such as "The Crucible" and "The Handmaid's Tale." But some of us can recall that when there were "Blue Laws" and the Bible was read in the schools. there also seemed to be less poverty, crime, and despair.
There is no way to defend demon sperm or some of the other bizarre things Dr. Immanuel believes. But the concept that the media would have listened to the other doctors about the benefits they have seen with hydroxychloroquine treatments if she wasn't there is also not true. The media isn't going to broadcast any good news about hydroxychloroquine treatments no matter how many studies find that it benefits patients if used early in Covid treatments ( https://c19study.com/ ) any more than they will run video showing what the Portland protesters are doing to attack a federal court building and federal officers to defend it. As far as the media is concerned, AG Barr is as deep into indefensible positions ad Dr. Immanuel.
It also isn't fair to demean the opinion PCP's and/or Urgent Care doctors. There are many more of them then there are ER doctors and they see many more patients in the early stages of disease than do ER doctors. Dr. Costa dying in a battle to save lives from Covid doesn't change the fact that PCP's and Urgent Care doctors may be very reliable witnesses to the benefits of early hydroxychloroquine treatments for patients, as the majority of Covid patients do not end up in ER's being treated by doctors like Dr. Costa. In addition, he PCP's and Urgent Care doctors likely know more about this issue than ER doctors like Dr. Costa because the benefits claimed for hydroxychloroquine treatments are for early stage Covid patients and patients whose serious problems have sent them to an ER.