Only diehard Trump supporters want Trump to be the GOP nominee again. Only diehard Biden supporters want Biden to be the Democrat nominee again. Most Americans — including the vast array of normal people who try only to care about politics after Labor Day of a presidential year — would prefer a colonoscopy without anesthesia while also getting LASIK at the same time.
I understand the argument about the need for a two term candidate. It is not persuasive. You're assuming that there will be a republic when the next presidential election cycle rolls around . Voters need to elect a candidate who is .... Several have offered themselves... Haley, De Santis...Pick one!
"Democrats telling us what a danger Trump is to democracy are like Hollywood liberals telling us global warming is going to kill us as they leave their mansions in an SUV bound for their private jet."ON THEIR WAY TO THEIR MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR BEACH HOUSE".
Yes, Looking at YOU Obama. Or was it all our fault, too you bought on a beach on an island?
So we had the Hunga Tunga Munga Bunga Bunga volcano give us the temperature rise in a couple months time that was projected over decades the alarmists were screaming about. Has anything really changed? Are polar bears dying, floods happening, weather catastrophes etc?
I saw an article the other day about another volcano in Iceland about to erupt that would add more carbon dioxide that all the human occupants of the planet combined in one fell swoop. I guess we are doubly screwed. Maybe give all the hand wringers a pass to Oregon where they can imbibe in hard drugs to their heart's content to ease their pain.
But it was never really about the environment or we would not be wasting trillions on the pipe dream of solar panels/ windmills and EV's. We'd be building Nuke plants in each and every state. THEN, we'd need to get China and India signed on to MAYBE affect the climate.
What it's about is, MONEY. "Following the money will set you free." Just made that up. I like it! :-)
No doubt it is a false dichotomy. There is zero interest in the environment if you are honest about it. People who seek to be good stewards of God's creation as commanded, do far more on an effective basis. The Hollywood limousine liberals piss me off the worst. Kept eunuch John Kerry too. They don't give a tinker's dam at the end of the day.
You are correct that its about money, but its also about power and exclusivity. They have theirs and want no-one else to be able to compete.
Agreed. I try to explain to my wife and family, the "power of change" is in each of our hands, not efectively the government's. There are 350 million of us. Per census we have 124,000,000 households in America. My wife and neice have a silly habit of when they wash a dish, they first pump soap on the sponge, THEN run it under water, washing soap down the drain. I mention it to them, but to no effect. At about one oz a week, that's over 50 million gallons of soad washed directly into the environment.
OK, silly example, but to me it drives home how much we, as individuals can make a difference.
We will not talk about what would happn to me if I dumped 50 million gallons of dish soap into the environment.
It's always easier to blame the big, bad corporations with lots of money than to look at your own eating habits, for instance, and correct them. The packaging savings alone would have a big impact, not to mention the amount of human waste people kerplunk into their clean-water toilets without a second thought as to what happens to it. Well said!
To be succinct, I think that Trump was a good president; however, I do not favor his re-election. One reason is age, but the bigger reason is where he will physically be if elected. Trump will spend more time in the courtroom than he will in the oval office; and even when in the oval office, he will be distracted. I have been the object of litigation enough to know that when you are its object, you cannot focus on much anything else. For the good of the country, I call on my fellow conservatives to dump Trump and to embrace Nikki Haley. Not only is she capable, she is female and she is attractive. The typical voter is shallow enough to vote for the best looking candidate, and there are those who will cast their vote for a female solely because she is female. Do not misunderstand me. I believe the Mrs. Haley is eminently qualified, but the general populace votes not on the basis of qualification but on the basis of lesser things. With what Mrs. Haley has going for her, she could easily defeat any candidate that the Democrats put against her.
I'm a conservative who is also female and attractive; those superficial qualities mean nothing to me in a candidate. I will not vote for Nikki Haley. Since she's part of the Republican establishment, I guess she is "qualified," but her hawkishness is terrifying. So is watching her become unhinged at the slightest jab from Vivek. Haley's ties to the defense contractors are a dealbreaker for me.
How are you conflating Nikki Haley w/ the Bushes? Do you include DeSantis in that as well? I don't see either of them aligning w/ the Bushes. Nikki Haley may have a few Neo-Con views of America's role in the world, but I do not think she is trying to shove an American-style democracy down the throats of others across the planet a la Bush and even Obama as he led from behind.
The Bushes seeking to make the world safe for the establishment Republican grifters to get rich, and the leftists to impose their LGBTQIA+, Anti-Colonialist, intersectional nonsense that none of the non-western world give a damn about.
I don't see Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis continuing to enable this nonsense.
I do in fact see Haley doing just that and worse. She is as establishment as establishment gets. Just listen to her. And she believes that just one comment about Bushes' overspending is sufficient to distance herself from GWB. I call BS. And I don't recall mentioning DeSantis. (Though I became deeply concerned when he appeared at a campaign event with Jeb! in tow).
"Die hard Trump supporters", you mean all 70+ million of them ... A heartbreaking lamentation. You seem truly dejected by the fact that we're about to experience Trump/Biden II. Well you know what? Now you know how we conservatives felt when your establishment Republican Party attempted to ram Bob Dole down our throats. Now you know how we conservatives felt when your establishment Republican Party attempted to ram Pierre Delecto down our throats. Now you know how we conservatives felt when your establishment Republican Party attempted to ram John McCain down our throats. Now you know how we conservatives felt when your establishment Republican Party rammed George Bush, Jr. down our throats. Boo hoo for you Erick. There is a reason Ronald Reagan was one of the greatest presidents in US history. And you know what I lament? I lament that there are three defined living generations of Americans that are too young to know what it felt like to be an American when our president was Ronald Reagan. And I lament that no American will ever experience that again.
Well sure, certainly. But the point of my comments wasn't concern over who could win. That's Erick's only issue: "who can win." My point was that when the party selects our candidate, they always select a soft-left liberal, squishy, deep establishment, go-along-to-get-along RINO like Bush, Jr. was. Then we just wind up with more leftist policy like prescription drugs for seniors, no child left behind, and every other leftist policy Bush saddled us with ...
You mean “Bush-hitler” as the leftist slurred him? The only literal “rino” in modern politics is Mr. Trump. He could best be described as constituting the “Trumpist Party.”
There were never 70+ million die-hard Trump supporters. He does have more "die-hards" than any candidate in history, but nowhere near that many. His supporters are on the higher end of the age spectrum, too. Just something to consider.
You can't honestly believe that everyone who voted for Trump is a die hard supporter do you? Would consider no-one else? Especially given the alternative on the other side. I would bet you that around 2/3 do not carry the die-hard moniker. I voted for him and I am certainly not a die hard supporter. People will hold their nose (yet again) and vote for whom we have no choice.
This is a horse of a different color from the other milquetoast weasels we have been saddled with in the past, but its still a horse.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. God help us. There needs to be a new curse added to the Chinese saying, "May you live in interesting times." We are definitely experiencing that far beyond these election foibles.
The new curse in my mind is, "May you live in unserious times." I hear Dean Wormer from Animal House playing in my head, "Fat, dumb, and stupid is no way to go through life son." I watch the massive pro-Hamas protests in Western Europe put their folly in plain view. The chickens who came when the flood-gates were opened to the Arab welfare case world, have come to roost.
At this point, we haven't imported a sufficient number for that crowd to burn us down yet, but not for lack of trying. I watch the "Expert Foreign Policy Class" wanting to bring the Palestinian Refugees that no-one in the Arab world will take here. Maybe we should pay attention and listen to them? There is a REASON why they refuse to take them.
I see a scene from Hunt for Red October in our future. Replace Captain Tupolev of the Alfa Class submarine the Konovalov with your choice of politician. Biden, Andrew Sullivan, Antony Blinken, John Kerry, etc. and the country saying, "You arrogant ass. You've killed us." Applies to any number of Republicans too on any given day.
I live in New Jersey. At the primary I just get to vote for someone else’s choice. That has to change.
Third parties have a use in bringing up the subjects the two Official Parties don’t want to discuss. We also need a run off election so the winner has 50% plus of the vote.
The RNC has forbidden candidates from participating in a debate sponsored by the Family Leadership Foundation. If candidates participate, they will be denied a place at future RNC-sponsored debates. Earlier the RNC forbade Vivek Ramaswamy and Chris Christie from debating on Fox News. In the meantime, they're allowing Trump to be part of the Republican primary while not debating any of the other candidates. The American people deserve to see the candidates debate, with or without the approval of the RNC. I'm not registered under any political party, but the corrupt actions of the Republicans make me want to register as an Independent, simply out of spite.
I remember someone from Nation Review magazine being interviewed about the up coming election in 2016. With Trump and Clinton being the candidates, “the living will envy the dead”.
"Trump supporters are convinced only Trump can win, and if he loses, then it is stolen. They should dare to wonder if it really is worth investing that much time, energy, and money in a guaranteed one-termer who will need all the resources of the GOP to win, which could cost the GOP the Senate."
Trump supporters don't care. They will support Trump at all costs.
The really die-hard Trump supporters just want an American Caesar. There is a certain allure to a populist outsider coming in and shaking things to the very core with a dictator's powers, but that's not how things are supposed to work here. Caesar's advance on Rome led to many years of chaos and civil war.
Some of them do, yes. When they get going, there's no talking to them. They can be fanatics... won't change their minds, won't change the subject. Usually it's people on the far-left who have that mindset.
I have no sympathy and no understanding of anyone who would stay home and forego the opportunity to remove the current administration. I also agree that with the exception of a couple of handfuls, most republicans are not conservative and need to be held accountable. But we have a lazy republic - lazy physically, lazy mentally and lazy spiritually.
Also, lazy to understanding how unique individual liberty is in terms of recent history and the majority of people in the world. I marvel how so many seem to think AMERICA JUST IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE. That simply is just not so.
In 2024 there will be several third party candidates: Green, Independent, and Libertarian will get the most votes. Green will hurt Biden. Libertarian and Independent will take votes from both. My question is, if a third party candidate could win this election, who does that help? I know it's a long shot, but with the disdain for Trump and Biden, there's never been a better chance. A poll in June showed nearly half of Americans willing to vote third party in the general.
I am at a complete loss as to how the republican party continues to support Trump. He is a cancer that will destroy the party. People forget that he came to GA and told us "Georgia would be better off with Stacey Abrams as our Governor" after Kemp was willing to stand up and tell the truth. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, ONLY HIMSELF!!! As bad a Biden is (and I believe he is historically bad) I refuse to vote for Trump ever again. I am all in with Haley. She is the only republican who understands how to frame issues in a way that doesn't alienate half the country.
I understand the argument about the need for a two term candidate. It is not persuasive. You're assuming that there will be a republic when the next presidential election cycle rolls around . Voters need to elect a candidate who is .... Several have offered themselves... Haley, De Santis...Pick one!
Erick, the last time a I had choice like that I wrote in Jimmy Buffet. :)
So Erick, if the nominee is Trump, will you sit out the election?
Totally agree, Erick..but one fix if I may?
"Democrats telling us what a danger Trump is to democracy are like Hollywood liberals telling us global warming is going to kill us as they leave their mansions in an SUV bound for their private jet."ON THEIR WAY TO THEIR MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR BEACH HOUSE".
Yes, Looking at YOU Obama. Or was it all our fault, too you bought on a beach on an island?
So we had the Hunga Tunga Munga Bunga Bunga volcano give us the temperature rise in a couple months time that was projected over decades the alarmists were screaming about. Has anything really changed? Are polar bears dying, floods happening, weather catastrophes etc?
I saw an article the other day about another volcano in Iceland about to erupt that would add more carbon dioxide that all the human occupants of the planet combined in one fell swoop. I guess we are doubly screwed. Maybe give all the hand wringers a pass to Oregon where they can imbibe in hard drugs to their heart's content to ease their pain.
All about proportion and there is none, Andy.
But it was never really about the environment or we would not be wasting trillions on the pipe dream of solar panels/ windmills and EV's. We'd be building Nuke plants in each and every state. THEN, we'd need to get China and India signed on to MAYBE affect the climate.
What it's about is, MONEY. "Following the money will set you free." Just made that up. I like it! :-)
No doubt it is a false dichotomy. There is zero interest in the environment if you are honest about it. People who seek to be good stewards of God's creation as commanded, do far more on an effective basis. The Hollywood limousine liberals piss me off the worst. Kept eunuch John Kerry too. They don't give a tinker's dam at the end of the day.
You are correct that its about money, but its also about power and exclusivity. They have theirs and want no-one else to be able to compete.
Agreed. I try to explain to my wife and family, the "power of change" is in each of our hands, not efectively the government's. There are 350 million of us. Per census we have 124,000,000 households in America. My wife and neice have a silly habit of when they wash a dish, they first pump soap on the sponge, THEN run it under water, washing soap down the drain. I mention it to them, but to no effect. At about one oz a week, that's over 50 million gallons of soad washed directly into the environment.
OK, silly example, but to me it drives home how much we, as individuals can make a difference.
We will not talk about what would happn to me if I dumped 50 million gallons of dish soap into the environment.
It's always easier to blame the big, bad corporations with lots of money than to look at your own eating habits, for instance, and correct them. The packaging savings alone would have a big impact, not to mention the amount of human waste people kerplunk into their clean-water toilets without a second thought as to what happens to it. Well said!
At least poop is organic! :-)
Didn't even think of the packaging for 50 mil gallon of dish soap. ....that might even be worse.
To be succinct, I think that Trump was a good president; however, I do not favor his re-election. One reason is age, but the bigger reason is where he will physically be if elected. Trump will spend more time in the courtroom than he will in the oval office; and even when in the oval office, he will be distracted. I have been the object of litigation enough to know that when you are its object, you cannot focus on much anything else. For the good of the country, I call on my fellow conservatives to dump Trump and to embrace Nikki Haley. Not only is she capable, she is female and she is attractive. The typical voter is shallow enough to vote for the best looking candidate, and there are those who will cast their vote for a female solely because she is female. Do not misunderstand me. I believe the Mrs. Haley is eminently qualified, but the general populace votes not on the basis of qualification but on the basis of lesser things. With what Mrs. Haley has going for her, she could easily defeat any candidate that the Democrats put against her.
I'm a conservative who is also female and attractive; those superficial qualities mean nothing to me in a candidate. I will not vote for Nikki Haley. Since she's part of the Republican establishment, I guess she is "qualified," but her hawkishness is terrifying. So is watching her become unhinged at the slightest jab from Vivek. Haley's ties to the defense contractors are a dealbreaker for me.
Never. And I mean NEVER! We've had enough of the Bush Dynasty for five lifetimes in this country.
How are you conflating Nikki Haley w/ the Bushes? Do you include DeSantis in that as well? I don't see either of them aligning w/ the Bushes. Nikki Haley may have a few Neo-Con views of America's role in the world, but I do not think she is trying to shove an American-style democracy down the throats of others across the planet a la Bush and even Obama as he led from behind.
The Bushes seeking to make the world safe for the establishment Republican grifters to get rich, and the leftists to impose their LGBTQIA+, Anti-Colonialist, intersectional nonsense that none of the non-western world give a damn about.
I don't see Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis continuing to enable this nonsense.
I do in fact see Haley doing just that and worse. She is as establishment as establishment gets. Just listen to her. And she believes that just one comment about Bushes' overspending is sufficient to distance herself from GWB. I call BS. And I don't recall mentioning DeSantis. (Though I became deeply concerned when he appeared at a campaign event with Jeb! in tow).
You didn't mention DeSantis. I was just checking to see whether he was being lumped into this.
As of now, I'll probably vote for DeSantis in the primary. When he loses, its gonna have to be Trump ...
I am praying for events to intervene for all our sakes. Trump Part II is going to be far more obstructive than Part one.
Twenty-year-old neocon "give war a chance" me would have loved Nikki Haley. A lot has changed, including me.
"Die hard Trump supporters", you mean all 70+ million of them ... A heartbreaking lamentation. You seem truly dejected by the fact that we're about to experience Trump/Biden II. Well you know what? Now you know how we conservatives felt when your establishment Republican Party attempted to ram Bob Dole down our throats. Now you know how we conservatives felt when your establishment Republican Party attempted to ram Pierre Delecto down our throats. Now you know how we conservatives felt when your establishment Republican Party attempted to ram John McCain down our throats. Now you know how we conservatives felt when your establishment Republican Party rammed George Bush, Jr. down our throats. Boo hoo for you Erick. There is a reason Ronald Reagan was one of the greatest presidents in US history. And you know what I lament? I lament that there are three defined living generations of Americans that are too young to know what it felt like to be an American when our president was Ronald Reagan. And I lament that no American will ever experience that again.
Those candidates you think were “rammed down our throats” won primaries. Isn’t that Trump’s plan as well?
Well sure, certainly. But the point of my comments wasn't concern over who could win. That's Erick's only issue: "who can win." My point was that when the party selects our candidate, they always select a soft-left liberal, squishy, deep establishment, go-along-to-get-along RINO like Bush, Jr. was. Then we just wind up with more leftist policy like prescription drugs for seniors, no child left behind, and every other leftist policy Bush saddled us with ...
You mean “Bush-hitler” as the leftist slurred him? The only literal “rino” in modern politics is Mr. Trump. He could best be described as constituting the “Trumpist Party.”
What are you, like 15?
Once I was. Anyway, thanks for reminding me to send a donation to Nikki Haley, my former Commander in Chief as a South Carolina National Guardsman.
There were never 70+ million die-hard Trump supporters. He does have more "die-hards" than any candidate in history, but nowhere near that many. His supporters are on the higher end of the age spectrum, too. Just something to consider.
You can't honestly believe that everyone who voted for Trump is a die hard supporter do you? Would consider no-one else? Especially given the alternative on the other side. I would bet you that around 2/3 do not carry the die-hard moniker. I voted for him and I am certainly not a die hard supporter. People will hold their nose (yet again) and vote for whom we have no choice.
This is a horse of a different color from the other milquetoast weasels we have been saddled with in the past, but its still a horse.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. God help us. There needs to be a new curse added to the Chinese saying, "May you live in interesting times." We are definitely experiencing that far beyond these election foibles.
The new curse in my mind is, "May you live in unserious times." I hear Dean Wormer from Animal House playing in my head, "Fat, dumb, and stupid is no way to go through life son." I watch the massive pro-Hamas protests in Western Europe put their folly in plain view. The chickens who came when the flood-gates were opened to the Arab welfare case world, have come to roost.
At this point, we haven't imported a sufficient number for that crowd to burn us down yet, but not for lack of trying. I watch the "Expert Foreign Policy Class" wanting to bring the Palestinian Refugees that no-one in the Arab world will take here. Maybe we should pay attention and listen to them? There is a REASON why they refuse to take them.
I see a scene from Hunt for Red October in our future. Replace Captain Tupolev of the Alfa Class submarine the Konovalov with your choice of politician. Biden, Andrew Sullivan, Antony Blinken, John Kerry, etc. and the country saying, "You arrogant ass. You've killed us." Applies to any number of Republicans too on any given day.
That's "fat, drunk and stupid".
Damn. That's what I meant to type. The brain to fingers connection short circuits on occasion flying through this while working.
Has anyone else noticed that the edit button is missing? Or is it just on my browser?
As I recall the recipient of Dean Wormer's wrath eventually became Senator Blutarsky?
No, he was talking to Flounder
"Caddyshack II" is considered to be one of the worst sequels of all time. "Biden II" will be downright destructive.
Trump part Deux will be the same, but in a different manner. The scorched earth that will come (from both sides) will be something to behold.
I live in New Jersey. At the primary I just get to vote for someone else’s choice. That has to change.
Third parties have a use in bringing up the subjects the two Official Parties don’t want to discuss. We also need a run off election so the winner has 50% plus of the vote.
The RNC has forbidden candidates from participating in a debate sponsored by the Family Leadership Foundation. If candidates participate, they will be denied a place at future RNC-sponsored debates. Earlier the RNC forbade Vivek Ramaswamy and Chris Christie from debating on Fox News. In the meantime, they're allowing Trump to be part of the Republican primary while not debating any of the other candidates. The American people deserve to see the candidates debate, with or without the approval of the RNC. I'm not registered under any political party, but the corrupt actions of the Republicans make me want to register as an Independent, simply out of spite.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/rnc-threatens-ban-candidates-debates-attend-iowa-groups-forum-rcna124732
Dang I really thought this was going to be about The Marvels.
I remember someone from Nation Review magazine being interviewed about the up coming election in 2016. With Trump and Clinton being the candidates, “the living will envy the dead”.
"Trump supporters are convinced only Trump can win, and if he loses, then it is stolen. They should dare to wonder if it really is worth investing that much time, energy, and money in a guaranteed one-termer who will need all the resources of the GOP to win, which could cost the GOP the Senate."
Trump supporters don't care. They will support Trump at all costs.
The really die-hard Trump supporters just want an American Caesar. There is a certain allure to a populist outsider coming in and shaking things to the very core with a dictator's powers, but that's not how things are supposed to work here. Caesar's advance on Rome led to many years of chaos and civil war.
You believe Trump supporters want him to have dictatorial powers, Joe? That might be a streach, friend. Otherwise, I agree.
Some of them do, yes. When they get going, there's no talking to them. They can be fanatics... won't change their minds, won't change the subject. Usually it's people on the far-left who have that mindset.
I have no sympathy and no understanding of anyone who would stay home and forego the opportunity to remove the current administration. I also agree that with the exception of a couple of handfuls, most republicans are not conservative and need to be held accountable. But we have a lazy republic - lazy physically, lazy mentally and lazy spiritually.
Also, lazy to understanding how unique individual liberty is in terms of recent history and the majority of people in the world. I marvel how so many seem to think AMERICA JUST IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE. That simply is just not so.
If it’s Trump and Biden, then they’ll be a third party candidate. Question is, which one will that hurt the most?
In 2024 there will be several third party candidates: Green, Independent, and Libertarian will get the most votes. Green will hurt Biden. Libertarian and Independent will take votes from both. My question is, if a third party candidate could win this election, who does that help? I know it's a long shot, but with the disdain for Trump and Biden, there's never been a better chance. A poll in June showed nearly half of Americans willing to vote third party in the general.
I am at a complete loss as to how the republican party continues to support Trump. He is a cancer that will destroy the party. People forget that he came to GA and told us "Georgia would be better off with Stacey Abrams as our Governor" after Kemp was willing to stand up and tell the truth. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, ONLY HIMSELF!!! As bad a Biden is (and I believe he is historically bad) I refuse to vote for Trump ever again. I am all in with Haley. She is the only republican who understands how to frame issues in a way that doesn't alienate half the country.