Well I CERTAINLY consider Trump's nomination of an anti-right-to-work, anti-school-choice socialist to be Secretary of Labor to be a "betrayal." But I guess "betrayal" isn't fair, because I never truly trusted him to begin with. The betrayal I feel is from supposedly conservative media voices (like Mark Levin) and outlets that discuss endlessly the confirmation challenges for Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, BobbyK, etc., but utterly ignore the threat posed by Lori Chavez-DeRemer, while they campaign for confirming Trump's "full slate."
Rush Limbaugh used to always point out that media concern for the homeless always increased during a Republican administration, and decreased when the Dems were in power.
Hey Erick: I just watched a peaceful transfer of power on TV. I get what that is. You being a lawyer and all, please inform me as to how the events of 2020 do not meet the legal definitions of both “riot” and “insurrection.”
I asked my brother when he realized Biden was a demitia patient, he said Biden is not a demitia patient because he is not being treated for demitia. Now I think that is a naive at best, but true, the White House has not disclosed if Biden is being treated for demitia.
In the same vein, it's not an insurrection because no one was charged or convicted of insurrection.
There are 3 things people seem to conflate....
As for insurrection in the Constitution it is found in the 14th Amendment. It is generally agreed by the courts to apply specifically and only to the Civil War. It was designed to prevent anyone from the South who supported the secession from holding office after the Civil War.
There is the Insurrection act of 1807 which authorizes the president to deploy military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion or domestic violence or to enforce the law in certain situations. The statute implements Congress’s authority under the Constitution to “provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.”
The Insurrection Act has been invoked 28 times, the last time in 1992 to quell the LA Riots.
There is 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection which is the federal law that provides for the punishment of insurrection.
The Proud Boys were found guilty under 18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy for January 6.
As opposed to being charged with insurrection under 18 U.S. Code § 2383.
There is a very subtle difference that lay people can discuss and debate.
As a lay person I see the difference is insurrection requires a foreign enemy. This is referenced in the 14th Amendment along with conviction.
Then there is Treason, 18 U.S. Code § 2381. Arguably CHAZ in 2020 was treason. A group of armed domestic terrorists literally cordoned off 6 city blocks and declared they were independent of the United States.
Interesting info. I knew that for the Trump could not be removed from the ballot under the law unless he was either impeached for or convicted of insurrection, sedition, treason, or whatever. However, also as a layman, I ask if because O.J. was not convicted of murder, does that mean he is not a murderer?
Actually if Trump had been convicted under 18 U.S. Code § 2383 it is doubtful, or at least debatable if the 14 Amendment would prevent him from holding office. It would have triggered a SCOTUS review and that would be the answer.
Only a conviction of an impeachment would serve.
As for O.J. In 1997, a civil jury found Simpson liable for wrongful death in the double murder.
As for Jan 6 in general a riot, trespassing, and sedition are pretty bad. I fail to see the need to revise history and through narrative and by faith insist it was an insurrection. The only plausible reason is political.
I was only going by the legal definitions of insurrection that I found by Googling those definitions. While I am obviously not a lawyer, I see no daylight between those definitions and what Trump did. As for Simpson, if the civil court found him liable for murder, I think you are saying that qualifies him as a murderer. So, therefore, since a civil court found Trump liable for sexual assault, then he is a sexual assaulter, correct?
In my layman's opinion of Trump's actions on, before and after 1/6, I'll just say that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Likewise, Trump is an insurrectionist.
People generally don't care about "January 6" because, in the end, it really was nothing more than a bit of hooliganism egged on by FBI agent provocateurs. If they did care, then Harris would have been elected. But she wasn't. The country has moved on.
Indeed, many older people do have trouble with modern technology. But you can probably manage to look some of these things up on GOOGLE. It is pretty easy. Just enter in the search bar and it will take you to the site, then enter any question you have. Google will then pull information from the "interweb" that is both informative and verifiable. So, you could use this to find (or not find) verification of the things you think you know but that just aren't so.
In the last few weeks of the Third Reich, Hitler was giving people medals and awards all over the place. This spate of medals that Biden is giving out has the same feel to it...
If possible, please squeeze in a quick moment to talk about your trip to Las Vegas & how was the hockey game and if you shot off any big guns. If you were there during the tragedy NYD morning the local reaction would be of interest as well
As I wrote earlier, give Johnson a chance to do something with Trump as president and with a Republican majority. I’m keeping my verbal knife in its sheath.
I was living in an apartment complex in 1981. I remember a neighbor telling me that he had to get another car since his brother used his to go to work and wrecked it in a snow storm. I remember the conversation just for the fact that he had to finance another car at 25% interest. I was job hunting and pickings were slim. Thank you Carter and the Democrats.
Biden and others are doing their best to poison the well to make Trump look ineffective. They have their moles in the bureaucracy to slow down or stop anything he proposes. The elites will be fine but we peons will suffer.
And a happy Insurrection Day to you, as well, Erick. That so many voters “don’t care,” as you say, about this pivotal date in our country’s history only shows how sheepish the Trump controlled “Republican” party and it’s election denying voters have become. Most likely our brave Republicans in congress will now proceed to approve totally unqualified nominees for critically important leadership positions in our government. And they will likely approve Trump’s mega bill that will put us another 10 trillion in debt. So much for conservative principles, right? But hey, they will be loyal to Trump over our Constitution, as loyalty to the Dear Leader seems to be all that matters to our now Trumpified party. God bless America.
Well I fail to see how Trumps picks are any worse than Bidens have been. Both have picked several that I might question but Bidens have proved their incompetence. We have also been left in a position that will very unfortunetly will require money to fix. The good news is Elon Musk as the wild card with a brain that can hopefully find ways to keep the parts of govt needed but cut the rest as much as possible to switch persons/money where they will most help the American taxpayers. Something must be done especially about our Infrastructure, intelligence, military sectors, etc. being compromised by China & Co and that will take money and something very rare, incorruptable Americans.
At this point who actually is qualified anymore? Not everyone in Biden admin can be as corrupt, stupid, ignorant as they seem so why do they act as they do? Being able to have some trust in who you pick is necessary and all that one actually needs to know to do a job is how to find the person(s) that actually do and if they won't sabotage you. Not a lot of trust left as corruption grows. I worked with a person high up in Biden adm and at no point would I have thought I would see what I did, still want to believe there is some underlying reason for it. So yes everything has a bearing on what Trump should do.
Supposedly, Trump requires all his staff candidates to assert that they believe the 2020 election was stolen or they are out of consideration. How corrupt is that?
Well I CERTAINLY consider Trump's nomination of an anti-right-to-work, anti-school-choice socialist to be Secretary of Labor to be a "betrayal." But I guess "betrayal" isn't fair, because I never truly trusted him to begin with. The betrayal I feel is from supposedly conservative media voices (like Mark Levin) and outlets that discuss endlessly the confirmation challenges for Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, BobbyK, etc., but utterly ignore the threat posed by Lori Chavez-DeRemer, while they campaign for confirming Trump's "full slate."
Rush Limbaugh used to always point out that media concern for the homeless always increased during a Republican administration, and decreased when the Dems were in power.
Yep..... just like clockwork...
Hey Erick: I just watched a peaceful transfer of power on TV. I get what that is. You being a lawyer and all, please inform me as to how the events of 2020 do not meet the legal definitions of both “riot” and “insurrection.”
I asked my brother when he realized Biden was a demitia patient, he said Biden is not a demitia patient because he is not being treated for demitia. Now I think that is a naive at best, but true, the White House has not disclosed if Biden is being treated for demitia.
In the same vein, it's not an insurrection because no one was charged or convicted of insurrection.
There are 3 things people seem to conflate....
As for insurrection in the Constitution it is found in the 14th Amendment. It is generally agreed by the courts to apply specifically and only to the Civil War. It was designed to prevent anyone from the South who supported the secession from holding office after the Civil War.
There is the Insurrection act of 1807 which authorizes the president to deploy military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion or domestic violence or to enforce the law in certain situations. The statute implements Congress’s authority under the Constitution to “provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.”
The Insurrection Act has been invoked 28 times, the last time in 1992 to quell the LA Riots.
There is 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection which is the federal law that provides for the punishment of insurrection.
The Proud Boys were found guilty under 18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy for January 6.
As opposed to being charged with insurrection under 18 U.S. Code § 2383.
There is a very subtle difference that lay people can discuss and debate.
As a lay person I see the difference is insurrection requires a foreign enemy. This is referenced in the 14th Amendment along with conviction.
Then there is Treason, 18 U.S. Code § 2381. Arguably CHAZ in 2020 was treason. A group of armed domestic terrorists literally cordoned off 6 city blocks and declared they were independent of the United States.
Interesting info. I knew that for the Trump could not be removed from the ballot under the law unless he was either impeached for or convicted of insurrection, sedition, treason, or whatever. However, also as a layman, I ask if because O.J. was not convicted of murder, does that mean he is not a murderer?
Actually if Trump had been convicted under 18 U.S. Code § 2383 it is doubtful, or at least debatable if the 14 Amendment would prevent him from holding office. It would have triggered a SCOTUS review and that would be the answer.
Only a conviction of an impeachment would serve.
As for O.J. In 1997, a civil jury found Simpson liable for wrongful death in the double murder.
As for Jan 6 in general a riot, trespassing, and sedition are pretty bad. I fail to see the need to revise history and through narrative and by faith insist it was an insurrection. The only plausible reason is political.
I was only going by the legal definitions of insurrection that I found by Googling those definitions. While I am obviously not a lawyer, I see no daylight between those definitions and what Trump did. As for Simpson, if the civil court found him liable for murder, I think you are saying that qualifies him as a murderer. So, therefore, since a civil court found Trump liable for sexual assault, then he is a sexual assaulter, correct?
The federal case jury found Simpson not guilty of murder, so, schrodinger's murder conviction?
Is Trump a womanizer and serial adulter? Absolutely
In my layman's opinion of Trump's actions on, before and after 1/6, I'll just say that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Likewise, Trump is an insurrectionist.
Also, do you recall the "peaceful transfer" the democrats staged in 2017?
Don’t recall any cops being beaten or the Capitol being ransacked.
Well, cops were injured, and the damage, which was extensive was outdoors, but still much worse than your imagined "insurrection".
News to me. I know better than to ask for a link.
People generally don't care about "January 6" because, in the end, it really was nothing more than a bit of hooliganism egged on by FBI agent provocateurs. If they did care, then Harris would have been elected. But she wasn't. The country has moved on.
LOL. I was asking for a legal opinion, not just an opinion.
For the record that was also the legal opinion of a number of well known attorneys, legal scholars even, as well as prior attorneys general.
Like who? I have never heard the subject directly addressed. Send me a link.
Aside from the fact that everyone knows by now that I have no idea how to send links, you can easily find it for yourself, probably even with google.
Indeed, many older people do have trouble with modern technology. But you can probably manage to look some of these things up on GOOGLE. It is pretty easy. Just enter in the search bar and it will take you to the site, then enter any question you have. Google will then pull information from the "interweb" that is both informative and verifiable. So, you could use this to find (or not find) verification of the things you think you know but that just aren't so.
In the last few weeks of the Third Reich, Hitler was giving people medals and awards all over the place. This spate of medals that Biden is giving out has the same feel to it...
Well, Rush Limbaugh got one too. So, there you go.
I just scrolled through most of those twitter posts...and I'm now dizzy.
Could you talk about Trump’s Christmas greetings too please? Seems he keeps putting his foot in his mouth.
Giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom to George Soros is like giving it to Joe Stalin, Mao Zedong or Pol Pot.
A lot of whining going on today
If possible, please squeeze in a quick moment to talk about your trip to Las Vegas & how was the hockey game and if you shot off any big guns. If you were there during the tragedy NYD morning the local reaction would be of interest as well
Welcome back, Erick. Please talk about the two attacks: New Orleans and Las Vegas.
And this is why this site is the only "social media" per se that I'm on. Those others seem to bring out the worst in a lot of people.
I'm not happy with Johnson, but I'm also willing to see what he can do with the pile of feces he's been handed to work with. I'm not optimistic.
Sure glad I don’t follow any of “those” people.
As I wrote earlier, give Johnson a chance to do something with Trump as president and with a Republican majority. I’m keeping my verbal knife in its sheath.
I was living in an apartment complex in 1981. I remember a neighbor telling me that he had to get another car since his brother used his to go to work and wrecked it in a snow storm. I remember the conversation just for the fact that he had to finance another car at 25% interest. I was job hunting and pickings were slim. Thank you Carter and the Democrats.
Biden and others are doing their best to poison the well to make Trump look ineffective. They have their moles in the bureaucracy to slow down or stop anything he proposes. The elites will be fine but we peons will suffer.
It’s truly something to behold. And once again, I’m so thankful I’m not on social media.
And a happy Insurrection Day to you, as well, Erick. That so many voters “don’t care,” as you say, about this pivotal date in our country’s history only shows how sheepish the Trump controlled “Republican” party and it’s election denying voters have become. Most likely our brave Republicans in congress will now proceed to approve totally unqualified nominees for critically important leadership positions in our government. And they will likely approve Trump’s mega bill that will put us another 10 trillion in debt. So much for conservative principles, right? But hey, they will be loyal to Trump over our Constitution, as loyalty to the Dear Leader seems to be all that matters to our now Trumpified party. God bless America.
Well I fail to see how Trumps picks are any worse than Bidens have been. Both have picked several that I might question but Bidens have proved their incompetence. We have also been left in a position that will very unfortunetly will require money to fix. The good news is Elon Musk as the wild card with a brain that can hopefully find ways to keep the parts of govt needed but cut the rest as much as possible to switch persons/money where they will most help the American taxpayers. Something must be done especially about our Infrastructure, intelligence, military sectors, etc. being compromised by China & Co and that will take money and something very rare, incorruptable Americans.
Whatever Biden did or did not do has no bearing on what Trump should do. He should choose people who are qualified, not just yes men.
At this point who actually is qualified anymore? Not everyone in Biden admin can be as corrupt, stupid, ignorant as they seem so why do they act as they do? Being able to have some trust in who you pick is necessary and all that one actually needs to know to do a job is how to find the person(s) that actually do and if they won't sabotage you. Not a lot of trust left as corruption grows. I worked with a person high up in Biden adm and at no point would I have thought I would see what I did, still want to believe there is some underlying reason for it. So yes everything has a bearing on what Trump should do.
Supposedly, Trump requires all his staff candidates to assert that they believe the 2020 election was stolen or they are out of consideration. How corrupt is that?
Add a topic: Update status of Trump’s appointments.